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Episode 5
[13:00] <Sylocat> …Angel’s into Xtreme sports?
[13:01] <Sylocat> Angel getting injured? This episode is gonna be a fan favorite
[13:02] <Whammy_> -insert I’m a Giraffe meme-
[13:02] <Sylocat> Commentary on the health care system?
[13:03] <Arrlaari> They really shouldn’t introduce a sneezing Giraffe into a crowded environment
[13:03] <Sylocat> Ah, a G.M. Berrow episode.
[13:04] <Sylocat> Ah, “obnoxious nail clipping,” one of the favorite relatable-disproportionate-annoyance comedy tropes
[13:05] <Froborr> Did a bunch of baby ducks imprint on Angel?
[13:05] <Sylocat> That would make a fun comic issues
[13:06] <Whammy_> -got hit by an ad, but no rush, seen episode so don’t wait on my part
[13:06] <Whammy_> Already skipped it so just probably a few seconds
[13:06] <Sylocat> Whoa
[13:07] <Sylocat> Fluttershy’s expanding her operations
[13:07] <Froborr> Shit, ran out of buffer.
[13:07] <Froborr> I’m stuck at 6:45.
[13:07] <Sylocat> Pause at 7:00 and wait for resync?
[13:07] <Arrlaari> paused at 7:09
[13:07] <Froborr> I’d appreciate that, yeah. pick a time and let me know.
[13:09] <Sylocat> This is an interesting premise for an episode, that’s for sure
[13:09] <Froborr> So where are we syncing?
[13:09] <Sylocat> I can go to 7:09
[13:10] <Whammy_> At 7:09
[13:11] <Sylocat> Ready?
[13:11] <Froborr> Okay, I’m at 7:09. For some reason it’s not allowing me to have more than two minutes’ buffer, so I guess continue on and hope it doesn’t run out again.
[13:11] <Sylocat> Okay…
[13:11] <Sylocat> Click
[13:11] <Sylocat> Aww, this is a sweet speech
[13:11] <Froborr> D’awww. This is sweet.
[13:12] <Sylocat> I’m surprised they’re not all going with one-off ponies from previous episodes
[13:13] <Whammy_> See, AJ & Pinkie’s suggestions make sense. Got no idea why Rarity thinks an interior designer from Canterlot would be good for an outdoor sanctuary project….
[13:13] <Sylocat> I like the designs
[13:14] <Sylocat> Those butterflies were Fluttershy’s three colors, I noticed… coat, hooves and eyes
[13:14] <Arrlaari> So I guess the issue here is that Fluttershy’s ideas a self-contradictory
[13:15] <Whammy_> dang ads
[13:15] <Arrlaari> Or it will turn out she’s describing nature
[13:15] <Sylocat> Oh dear
[13:17] <Sylocat> I like how each of the guest characters has completely different reasons for not grokking Fluttershy’s ideas
[13:20] <Froborr> This is a really interesting  counterpart to that one S1 episode with the dressmaking.
[13:20] <Whammy_> Also, that was not a secure building if one animal headbutting it sends the whole structure collapsing.
[13:21] <Sylocat> Well, the building wasn’t finished
[13:21] <Whammy_> DAMN IT ADS
[13:21] <Sylocat> Also, this episode shows off how Fluttershy’s character arcs have progressed
[13:22] <Froborr> Yeah, it’s had at least two Fuck Yeah Fluttershy moments so far.
[13:22] <Sylocat> Like, first, Fluttershy wouldn’t have been able to stand up to the other three at all, then she’d have gone all FLUTTERHULK SMASH, but now she’s found her groove
[13:23] <Sylocat> Who…
[13:23] <Sylocat> WAT
[13:23] <Sylocat> That was out of left field, but… come to think of it, it does make sense
[13:23] <Whammy_> He’s from an episode last season I think
[13:24] <Sylocat> The previous season, I think
[13:24] <Froborr> Yeah, they just said, the Hatfields and McCoys riff.
[13:24] <Sylocat> Hooffields and McColts was S5
[13:24] <Froborr> Oh hey, the CMC! They haven’t been around much this season.
[13:24] <Whammy_> Then you’ll like next episode.
[13:25] <Sylocat> Wow
[13:25] <Sylocat> That was a sweet one
[13:25] <Froborr> Yeah, I liked that one!
[13:29] <Sylocat> It had a nice theme of how-far-we’ve-come, in terms of the character arcs
[13:29] <Whammy_> Yep, it was sweet, and good to see Fluttershy stand up for herself and her expertise.
[13:32] <Froborr> At the same time, it felt kinda… I dunno, basically where does Fluttershy go from here? What’s left for Season 8?
[13:33] <Sylocat> I wonder if the writers are banking on this being the last season
[13:33] <Arrlaari> Same place Twilight Sparkle went from becoming an Alicorn Princess of Friendship?
[13:34] <Froborr> It’s not the last season–S8 was confirmed to be coming in 2018 a couple months ago.
[13:35] <Sylocat> Ah.
[13:35] <Froborr> It’s less that I don’t feel that the writers can come up with a direction for Fluttershy to go, more that…
[13:36] <Froborr> I’m just concerned that the show feels like it’s running out of steam.
[13:36] <Whammy_> Still, there is a sense of progress on a lot of characters. Fluttershy has her sanctuary, AJ was already where she wanted to be basically, Rarity has several boutiques in high social standing, RD is a Wonderbolt (confirmed a couple episodes later), Twilight’s a princess. All that’s left is, I don’t know, Pinkie setting up her own bakery or something -shrug-
[13:36] <Whammy_> Main suggestion: new cast of Starlight & Trixie & Maud
[13:36] <Sylocat> That may be why they’re bringing different characters to the forefront now… setting up Starlight and Trixie (and Discord, and Maud, &c.) to be the new mane cast
[13:36] <Sylocat> …Great minds think alike
[13:37] <Whammy_> I for one welcome our new Starlight & Trixie overlords
[13:38] <Froborr> It’s a possibility, but hard to pull off. Hard-pressed to think of a show that’s done that before.
[13:38] <Froborr> Outside of decades-long soap operas and Doctor Who, anyway.
[13:38] <Arrlaari> A while back you wrote an essay pointing out that Twilight finished her postgraduate and became a teacher, it makes sense that her classmates would do likewise
[13:39] <Whammy_> Might just see a lot of episodes like Rock Steady Friendship where Mane 6 are around but share most of the screen time with Starlight et al.
[13:39] <Froborr> But they already did that, that’s what Season 5 was about.
[13:39] <Froborr> The whole map thing is the Mane Six being teachers.
[13:40] <Whammy_> But do have other friends who are starting to feel a like the series is starting to run out of cohesive, season long strings and just kind of turning into moral of the day.
[13:41] <Froborr> I dunno, maybe I’m still burned out on MLP and projecting that burnout onto the show?
[13:42] <Whammy_> Nah. I mean, we’re 7 seasons in. It’s kind of hard to keep something going that long.

Episode 6

[13:44] <Froborr> Oh hey, it’s whatserface!
[13:44] <Sylocat> Ah, it’s what’s-her-ame
[13:44] <Froborr> lol, great minds again!
[13:44] <Sylocat> Great minds, fools, &c.
[13:44] <Whammy_> Yeah, I honestly don’t remember her name either.
[13:44] <Froborr> GREAT MINDCEPTION
[13:44] <Sylocat> (I should have said, “What’s-her-mane”)
[13:46] <Sylocat> Those dress names are slightly ominous
[13:46] <Whammy_> Sassy Saddles (had to look her up)
[13:47] <Froborr> …Rarity wears mascara?
[13:47] <Whammy_> I’m pretty sure that’s been there since the beginning…
[13:47] <Sylocat> Same with the eye shadow
[13:47] <Froborr> Oh, I guess she does, her eylids are blue.
[13:47] <Sylocat> Ah, and I hadn’t noticed until now that Sassy Saddles does too
[13:48] <Froborr> I only noticed because they’ve been showing it running because of her crying.
[13:48] <Whammy_> Though, looking up pictures, showing it in the tears might be relatively new
[13:48] <Froborr> Don’t think they’ve done that before.
[13:49] <Sylocat> “Chipcutter?”
[13:50] <Sylocat> …Cutie Mark Consultants
[13:50] <Froborr> So… is this going to be about Sweetie being too busy to spend time w/Rarity, or that Sweetie’s interests have changed while Rarity wasn’t around?
[13:50] <Whammy_> The latter
[13:51] <Froborr> That was rhetorical, Mr. Seen-It-Before.
[13:51] <Whammy_> ^u^”””
[13:51] <Arrlaari> Preview of Rarity’s problem here
[13:51] <Sylocat> “Ripley?”
[13:52] <Whammy_> In reality, her cutie mark is for using dogs to hunt aliens -nods-
[13:53] <Arrlaari> Ok, Rarity is not respecting that her work is a real job
[13:53] <Arrlaari> Or at least wasn’t until she saw the wall
[13:53] <Sylocat> …It seems like she sort of is and sort of isn’t at the same time
[13:53] <Sylocat> (which is a very relatable phenomenon)
[13:55] <Sylocat> Well, this episode is relatable in a whole lot of depressing ways
[13:55] <Sylocat> …Wait, did she just say black-box theatre?
[13:55] <Whammy_> Bah, Sweetie Belle just has no appreciation for good slapstick =P
[13:55] <Arrlaari> She remembers her baby sister
[13:55] <Arrlaari> She does not know her child sister so much
[13:55] <Arrlaari> teen?
[13:56] <Whammy_> Even for a filly that dessert is insultingly small
[13:56] <Whammy_> That’s like a sampe scoop
[13:56] <Whammy_> *sample
[13:56] <Arrlaari> dog is old
[13:56] <Froborr> Given the puberty metaphor for cutie marks, I’d say the CMC are approximate equivalent of young teens.
[13:57] <Arrlaari> As I suspected, client has same issue: Dog is not puppy
[13:57] <Sylocat> Yep… though this also works as a metaphor for a number of other ages including adulthood
[13:57] <Sylocat> (as hinted at with Ripley)
[13:59] <Sylocat> Whoa
[13:59] <Whammy_> That is impressive balloon making.
[13:59] <Whammy_> …I do not fault Sweetie Belle for hating this though
[13:59] <Sylocat> …I’m an adult and I’d go bonkers over a balloon arrangement like that
[14:01] <Froborr> Yeah, but you’re an adult. You’re no longer a teen fighting to escape childhood.
[14:01] <Sylocat> True
[14:03] <Whammy_> Yeah, that squeaker is probably a choking hazard at this point
[14:05] <Whammy_> Now that’s a sundae.
[14:05] <Sylocat> …Wow
[14:05] <Froborr> Man… I haven’t had my favorite sundae in YEARS.
[14:06] <Froborr> (Three scoops–chocolate, mint, and raspberry–topped w/peanut butter sauce.)
[14:06] <Whammy_> Peanut butter sauce is good.
[14:06] <Froborr> And whipped cream and walnuts, of course.
[14:06] <Whammy_> …though usually I just dump some peanut butter in a bowl and melt it
[14:07] <Sylocat> Dang, that sundae sounds appealing
[14:07] <Sylocat> (I would replace the mint with… any other flavor in existence including broccoli, but other than that)
[14:08] <Froborr> It’s great, practically every spoonful tastes different.
[14:08] <Arrlaari> So, if a kid at the lower end of the target audience range started watching this shoe with S1E1, how old would she be now?
[14:08] <Froborr> Oh no, the mint is essential. Mint/chocolate/peanut butter is one of my favorite flavor combinations.
[14:08] <Froborr> About 12.
[14:09] <Whammy_> First episode was October 10, 2010 sooo, yeah, 12 sounds about right.
[14:09] <Sylocat> So yeah, this episode is very relevant to that demographic
[14:09] <Whammy_> …god, it’s been almost 7 years
[14:09] <Sylocat> (though it certainly knew MY weak points as well)
[14:12] <Whammy_> Episode is a good followup to the last one though, in terms of the characters growing and developing
[14:12] <Sylocat> Yep
[14:12] <Whammy_> -the talk about ice cream made go make myself a bowl cause I have poor impulse control-
[14:12] <Froborr> True.
[14:13] <Sylocat> (if it feels like a long time to us, imagine how it feels to people who were kids during the franchise’s premiere in 1981)
[14:13] <Froborr> Hey, you have sufficient impulse control that there is uneaten ice cream in your house. That’s better than me.
[14:13] <Froborr> I don’t have to imagine, I’ve read Ponyville Confidential. 😉
[14:14] <Froborr> (Seriously good book, btw. Highly recommend it.)
[14:14] <Whammy_> Let me think, I think I got into the series around the time of Super Speedy Cider Squeezy 60000
[14:15] <Froborr> I got into it during the hiatus between seasons 1 and 2, IIRC.
[14:15] <Sylocat> Ah yes, I recommend Ponyville Confidential as well
[14:15] <Froborr> Pretty sure I marathoned S1 and watched S2 as it aired, anyway.
[14:15] <Sylocat> I got into it, like, somewhere early in season 2, I can’t remember exactly when since I didn’t catch up right away
[14:15] <Whammy_> Back when it was “obvious” the CMC would be x-treme sports, singers, and a carpenter(?) and not cutie mark consultants XD
[14:15] <Sylocat> They have relics of their original plans in their cutie marks, though (or at least Sweetie Belle does)
[14:15] <Froborr> That’s still the best damn episode of the entire series.
[14:20] <Whammy_> Can’t think of much else right off the back.
[14:20] <Whammy_> Episode’s pretty straightforward in what it wanted to do and I thought it did well.
[14:21] <Whammy_> Though I hope Sweetie Belle one day comes to appreciate that balloon making -nods-
[14:21] <Sylocat> Season premiere was very relevant to that demographic as well
[14:23] <Whammy_> Maybe that’s how they switch the mane cast on us, by telling us all it’s time to grow up and move on to these NEW AND IMPROVED MANE 6
[14:23] <Sylocat> Hahah
[14:24] <Whammy_> -thinks-
[14:24] <Whammy_> I mean, it could work. Starlight still has Twilight’s uncomfortableness at being kind of a leader and learning friendship, but has the edgy “former villain” backstory needed for a more ‘adult’ protagonist -nods-
[14:25] <Sylocat> Ooh, that is a good point
[14:25] <Whammy_> And her and Sunset are supposed to meet in one of the upcoming EQG “shorts”
[14:25] <Sylocat> Oh, before I forget: Next weekend I can’t make it on account of WisCon (AND performances!), but feel free to press on without me
[14:25] <Froborr> My main concern is that they’d need to be TNG season 3, not season 1-2.
[14:25] <Whammy_> So that’ll be fun.
[14:26] <Froborr> Meaning, they need to not recycle ideas used with the previous cast, they need to be their own thing.
[14:26] <Whammy_> Right.
[14:26] <Froborr> Gotcha Sylo, thanks for the heads up.
[14:26] <Whammy_> Which, if it pulls in characters like Maud and Trixie, might not be too hard.
[14:27] <Whammy_> Their personalities are very different from the Mane 6, so presuming basic competence does mean they’d need to pull off new stories.
[14:28] <Whammy_> I’d expect the Mane 6 to stick around though in the sort of mentor position or being something like Pinkie in Rock Steady Friendship who sort of facilitates stuff.
[14:28] <Arrlaari> Also: The Mane 6 are still present and can be bounced off of
[14:28] <Whammy_> Though hopefully they don’t use Pinkie too much like they did in that episode. It was the first time she was appropriately annoying, but it could get grating if they did that too much.
[14:29] <Arrlaari> Like, TNG very rarely would have a single member of TOS show up, but it wasn’t a regular thing for Data and Spock to have a chat about feelings
[14:30] <Froborr> True, although that’s exactly what the plan was for the Phase Two project they were planning in the 70s.
[14:33] <Whammy_> I am trying to think who else would be good for the dynamic, presuming they keep the two of each pony type.
[14:33] <Whammy_> Got the two unicorns, Starlight & Trixie. Got Maud, so need one more Earth Pony, and then two pegasi.
[14:34] <Sylocat> But they also got Discord and possibly Thorax
[14:34] <Froborr> We’ve discussed this at length in previous chats, we discarded the “two of each type” rule so that we could have Discord and Thorax.
[14:34] <Froborr> Arrlaari, do you remember on who we settled on in the end?
[14:34] <Arrlaari> I don’t think we even considered “two of each type”
[14:34] <Whammy_> Ehhhh, I personally don’t know if keeping Discord around as main character is a good idea though =P
[14:35] <Froborr> He’s the obvious successor to Pinkie Pie, though.
[14:35] <Sylocat> Then again, John de Lancie presumably costs more than the other VAs, so they might have to save him for special occasions.
[14:35] <Arrlaari> The last thing we talked about is whether Trixie was the successor to Rarity or Rainbow Dash
[14:35] <Sylocat> (I don’t know how that part of the process works, so I may be talking out of my ass here)
[14:35] <Whammy_> Yeah, but he still has enough mean spiritedness to him I personally don’t think I could tolerate him being around to the same degree as a main character.
[14:36] <Froborr> I think it’s less price w/John de Lancie and more that being VA is a side thing for him now.
[14:36] <Froborr> He mostly directs these days. (Concert films and the occasional documentary, mostly.)
[14:36] <Whammy_> And Thorax is off ruling a kingdom so he’s more Cadence or the Princesses than Mane 6
[14:38] <Whammy_> As for who they’re successors too, I think more interesting is who is Maud the best successor to XD
[14:38] <Froborr> Applejack.
[14:39] <Whammy_> That was my first thought too.
[14:40] <Whammy_> In regards to the Trixie question, while I think she might have Rarity’s flair for the dramatic, I’d put her as RD’s successor in terms of the Elements.
[14:41] <Whammy_> …darn, you know what, now I’m wishing they didn’t do that Changeling plot last finale cause it would have been a great one to do if you needed to introduce a new cast and display their “Element”
[14:42] <Arrlaari> I don’t think they’re going to go back to the Elements of Harmony as literal tokens of power anyway
[14:43] <Whammy_> I meant figuratively
[14:43] <Whammy_> Metaphorically?
[14:43] <Whammy_> Whatever
[14:45] <Sylocat> Welp, I’m gonna get going… I’m teching a performance in a few hours
[14:45] <Sylocat> Bye, see y’all soon
[14:48] <Froborr> Later, Sylo… darn, missed him.
[14:49] <Whammy_> -tries to think if Trixie sacrificing herself to the Changelings as a distraction falls under Generosity or Loyalty or something else-
[14:51] <Arrlaari> I have a thing I gotta do as well
[14:52] <Froborr> Well, I think that about wraps it up for this week. Next time?
[14:53] <Whammy_> I got nothing going on next weekend since end of semester wrapping up and grant application fell through due to legal issues.
[14:53] <Froborr> Aw, sorry to hear about the grant.
[14:53] <Whammy_> Yeah.
[14:54] <Whammy_> Plan was to apply for funds to pay for human coding of state legislator campaign ads, but the Wesleyan Media Project didn’t have the permission to grant me permission to use them since they got the data from another company.
[14:54] <Whammy_> And can’t get in contact with the other company in time for the grant deadline =P
[14:55] <Froborr> Yeah, that sucks.
[14:55] <Whammy_> Yeah. So just got to use governor data that WMP has coded and hope this other guy’s 50 years of Congress ad data gets released early enough next year to include.
[14:56] <Whammy_> But yeah, next week is…the one with Rainbow’s parents and the…uggh, Big Mac shipping episode =P
[14:56] <Froborr> I don’t even want to know.
[14:57] <Whammy_> At least SU has a hour long special memorial day
[14:57] <Froborr> Neat, I didn’t know that!
[14:57] <Whammy_> Yep.
[14:57] <Whammy_> And soundtrack comes out June 2, has all the songs with vocals since the start
[14:57] <Froborr> Nice.
[14:58] <Whammy_> Yep, preorder available, $10 for 37 songs
[14:58] <Whammy_> Now if only MLP could put their act together and do a comprehensive soundtrack like that.
[15:00] <Froborr> Yeah, I don’t know why they don’t.

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