SMC S3E12-13 Liveblog Chat Thingy

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ETA: Chatlog after the cut.

[13:01] <Sylocat> So, I can’t quite remember where we left off either
[13:01] <Sylocat> Had they exorcised Saturn yet?
01[13:02] <Froborr> Saturn sacrificed herself to free the others.
[13:02] <Sylocat> Ah yes…
01[13:02] <Froborr> Interesting that she doesn’t so much drink from the Grail as pour it into her eyes.
[13:02] <Sylocat> (have I mentioned enough times, I love how the secret powerful MacGuffin Moon Chalice turned out to be something their kid just made in pottery class)
[13:03] <mere_oblivion> That struck me too.
01[13:03] <Froborr> Also holy shit does this look good in 1080p, you guys have no idea.
[13:03] <Sylocat> I imagine so!
[13:04] <Sylocat> (of course I’m watching on my laptop’s screen, but I should watch this on my actual TV at some point)
01[13:04] <Froborr> I’m watching on my laptop screen too, because it’s the only HD screen in the house.
[13:04] <Sylocat> And has it been explained what Master Pharoh 90 actually IS? I remember he was some alien from a dying solar system or something…
01[13:05] <Froborr> That’s…  basically what we’ve got, yeah.  His solar system died, so he led an invasion of Earth.
[13:05] <Arrlaari> They’ve revealed that Pharoh 90 intends to become one with the entire planet, implying that currently he’s one with the dying planet
01[13:05] <Froborr> Ooh, good point Arr, I hadn’t thought of that.
[13:05] <Arrlaari> ad after credits
[13:06] <Sylocat> Paused at title card
01[13:06] <Froborr> Likewise.
[13:07] <mere_oblivion> Carousel Nursery Furniture! Just for this demographic, i guess!
01[13:07] <Froborr> I mean, it’s a remake of a show watched by people who were young teens in 1995, so… yes?
[13:08] <mere_oblivion> Hey, you’re right!
[13:08] <Arrlaari> Paused after ad
[13:09] <Sylocat> Ad still going, mere_oblivion?
[13:10] <mere_oblivion> Um, no, I’m back.
[13:10] <Sylocat> Okay then…
[13:10] <Sylocat> Click
[13:11] <Sylocat> Kinda Freudian imagery here
01[13:11] <Froborr> Yeah, that was pretty clearly a phallus with a vagina dentata growing out of the top.
01[13:12] <Froborr> Wait, since when does Tuxedo Mask get attack spells?
[13:12] <Arrlaari> We’ve seen it I think once before, maybe twice?
[13:12] <Sylocat> Maybe it’s just one of his gadget thingies?
01[13:12] <Froborr> Ah shit, Usagi and Chibiusa get doubletechs now.
01[13:12] <Froborr> Sweet.
[13:13] <Sylocat> I assume next season they’ll do a Delta Attack with Tuxedo Douche
[13:13] <Sylocat> Yikes, his Energy Drain is OP
[13:14] <Sylocat> Will he just absorb the barrier too?
01[13:14] <Froborr> Looks like he’s just pressing against it.
[13:14] <Sylocat> Ah, no, he’ll just blast through it
[13:14] <Sylocat> And now he’s the Smooze, apparently
01[13:14] <Froborr> He’s… basically just the Smooze, isn’t he
01[13:15] <Froborr> lol
[13:15] <Sylocat> Great minds, fools, &c.
[13:15] <Sylocat> (the whole puberty-metaphor aspect of the original Smooze is kind of appropriate given that earlier imagery)
[13:17] <Sylocat> For a moment I thought that was the cliffhanger
01[13:17] <Froborr> Ah shit, Sailor Saturn is coming back to help, isn’t she?
01[13:17] <Froborr> Er, “help”
01[13:17] <Froborr> Oh no, just the moon.
[13:17] <Sylocat> Is this the kitties?
[13:17] <mere_oblivion> Ads? Or did i get out of sync?
[13:18] <Arrlaari> I am approaching an ad mark
[13:18] <Sylocat> I think you got ahead of us, mere_oblivion
01[13:18] <Froborr> She’s going to sacrifice herself, isn’t she? I know that smile.
[13:19] <mere_oblivion> Okay. I’ll pause after ads.
[13:19] <Sylocat> Yeah… I mean, it’s going to be a Disney Death sacrifice, but she’s going to
[13:19] <Arrlaari> I’ve entere ad
01[13:19] <Froborr> Let’s all pause and sync up at the mid-episode eyecatch?
[13:19] <Sylocat> Paused at midroll
[13:19] <Sylocat> Yeah
[13:20] <Arrlaari> ad over, paused at eyecatch
[13:21] <mere_oblivion> Ready
[13:21] <Sylocat> Okay then…
[13:21] <Sylocat> Click
[13:22] <Sylocat> Jump in there after her, moron
[13:22] <mere_oblivion> Too good to be true
[13:23] <mere_oblivion> After all, that would be the easy thing to do
[13:24] <Sylocat> Re-charging the barrier, huh?
[13:24] <Sylocat> Oh… a Delta Attack instead
01[13:24] <Froborr> Interesting.
[13:24] <Arrlaari> Saturn
01[13:24] <Froborr> Ohhhh, interesttinnng…
[13:25] <Sylocat> Ah, she is back
01[13:25] <Froborr> There’s some interesting symbolism going on here re: the myth the Talismans are drawn from…
[13:25] <Sylocat> Oh?
01[13:25] <Froborr> Yeah, I’ll talk more after the ep.
[13:26] <Sylocat> (also, is there a reason Saturn is the Planet of Ruin? Is that some Japanese mythology thing?)
01[13:27] <Froborr> I think so, but I’ll double check at end of the episode.
[13:27] <Sylocat> She gets the coolest weapon
01[13:28] <Froborr> Loving the music here.
[13:28] <mere_oblivion> In Gustav Holst’s The Planets, Saturn is presented as The Bringer of Old Age, which has its ruinous aspect.
01[13:28] <Froborr> Roman Saturn is equivalent to Greek Chronos, IIRC?
[13:29] <Sylocat> I think so
01[13:29] <Froborr> So… I can see where the logic goes. Time->decay->death.
01[13:30] <Froborr> Well.
01[13:30] <Froborr> That is a cliffhanger.
[13:30] <Sylocat> Whoa, trippy ending there
[13:30] <mere_oblivion> And in between decay and death falls geezerhood!
[13:31] <Sylocat> So, what were you saying about the mythological origins of the talismans
[13:31] <Arrlaari> There’s a bit of oddness in that Pluto, the god of the underworld, got the time porfolio while Saturn, who was supposed to have time, is left with the rump of what was associated with time
[13:32] <Arrlaari> I’ve got to restart Firefox, I was losing frames which I believe is due to memory leaks putting pressure on ram
01[13:32] <Froborr> That IS odd, yeah.
[13:34] <Arrlaari> I’m back and preloaded
01[13:34] <Froborr> Okay, so: the Talismans are based on the three Imperial Regalia of Japan, which were handed down to the Imperial family by the kami of the sun, Amaterasu.
[13:34] <Arrlaari> I thought it was spelled Ameterasu?
01[13:35] <Froborr> Not AFAIK.
[13:35] <Arrlaari> ok
[13:35] <Sylocat> Google says it’s Amaterasu
01[13:35] <Froborr> All three are associated with Amaterasu’s rivalry with her brother Susanoo.
[13:36] <Arrlaari> Is Susanoo the moon or just a jerk who doesn’t get to hang out in the sky?
[13:36] <Sylocat> God of the Sea, IIRC
01[13:36] <Froborr> Susanoo is the storm god.
01[13:37] <Froborr> The mirror in particular comes from when Amaterasu got so fed up at Susanoo’s bullshit that she hid in a cave, and the mirror was used as part of a trick to coax her out.
01[13:37] <Froborr> This is commonly read as a myth about sunset and dawn, and/or solar eclipses.
01[13:37] <Froborr> Both of which are equally about rebirth and resurrection.
01[13:38] <Froborr> So it makes sense that the talismans respond to a sacrifice with rebirth, is what I’m saying. But interestingly, the one they rebirth is not Usagi, but Saturn.
[13:39] <Arrlaari> At this point I think it’s clear that the specific moment when Saturn awoke in the past was when the prior Queen Serenity sacrificed her own life
01[13:39] <Froborr> Who I’m now noticing has been positioned in many ways as Usagi’s opposite–short dark hair vs long blonde, dark eyes vs light, instant friendship with Chibiusa vs initial difficulty (cont)
[13:39] <Arrlaari> And that Saturn is the Moon Kingdom’s nuclear submarine
01[13:40] <Froborr> shy and retiring vs actively recruiting a harem, and now death incarnate vs. healer.
01[13:40] <Froborr> Agreed, Arr.
[13:42] <Sylocat> So, shall we?
[13:42] <Arrlaari> So what were the other two Imperial Regalia?
[13:42] <Sylocat> A sword and a jewel, IIRC?
01[13:42] <Froborr> Oh, um, Susanoo’s sword which he had to give to Amaterasu as an apology at some point, and a jewel used in a competition between them to see who could make more gods.
[13:43] <Arrlaari> Yeah but how did they get to be legendary artifacts. The mirror got Amaterasu out of a cave,
[13:43] <mere_oblivion> I’m back and ready whenever, though also enjoying the mythology lesson.
[13:43] <Arrlaari> Ah, so it makes sense for the sword to do violent winds
[13:44] <Arrlaari> What use did the jewel have in that competition?
01[13:44] <Froborr> They birthed gods out of it.
[13:45] <Arrlaari> So it was an instrument they shared and not Amaterasu’s advantage, ok.
01[13:46] <Froborr> We’re going that far back for the recap of last time?
[13:46] <mere_oblivion> Strange
[13:46] <Sylocat> I was just about to say, this is a long recap
01[13:46] <Froborr> If it were a previously on I’d be okay, but usually this show replays the final scene of the previous ep, this is gonna take a while.
01[13:46] <Froborr> Okay, so they are cutting it a little.
01[13:47] <Froborr> BTW, Saturn’s design is AMAZING.
[13:47] <Sylocat> Yes, yes it is
[13:47] <Arrlaari> I’m pretty sure they cut more than half of the time between where they rewound to and the end of last episode
01[13:47] <Froborr> I like the near-total absence of color, even the purples are almost gray.
[13:48] <Sylocat> So, Saturn’s going to destroy Master Pharoh 90, but also destroy Earth in the process?
[13:48] <mere_oblivion> All will be as silent as the glaive?!
01[13:48] <Froborr> lol
[13:50] <Sylocat> Paused at title card
01[13:50] <Froborr> Paused at title card
[13:50] <mere_oblivion> Me 2
01[13:50] <Froborr> Wait, was Saturn always posed with the others at the end of the OP?
[13:51] <Sylocat> Good question, I’ll have to go back and check
[13:51] <Arrlaari> No
[13:51] <Arrlaari> I was looking for her and she wasn’t there
01[13:51] <Froborr> Innteresting.
[13:51] <mere_oblivion> Paused
[13:51] <mere_oblivion> I mean, ready
[13:52] <Arrlaari> paused after ad
[13:52] <Sylocat> Okay then…
[13:52] <Sylocat> Click
01[13:52] <Froborr> I mean, fairly obviously they are going to recruit her after they stop her from destroying the world, but I guess the OP’s just confirming it.
[13:53] <mere_oblivion> This dude really is tedious in the extreme
01[13:53] <Froborr> I love the music here and at the end of last episode, they’re clearly taking a little inspiration from Yuki Kajiura, which is a nice closing of the circle.
01[13:53] <Froborr> Oh, and just as I say that, theme music power up.
[13:53] <Sylocat> For a moment I thought the OP was starting up again
[13:53] <Sylocat> But I suppose it’s appropriate to have a theme song powerup in the season finale
01[13:54] <Froborr> Ooh, I really like this bit, was that an electric violin?
[13:54] <mere_oblivion> “What’s going on?” Is that his tagline?
01[13:54] <Froborr> I’m shocked, I thought this would be resolved by Chibiusa talking Haruka down.
[13:55] <Sylocat> Electric violins are a thing? I thought I’d made them up for a story I once wrote
01[13:55] <Froborr> No, they’re a thing.
01[13:55] <Froborr> Did she just power up the others to Super status?
[13:55] <Sylocat> Ah, yet another new action figure model?
[13:55] <mere_oblivion> Oh, SYlo, I’ll play you some mean electric violin (if i can find that CD)
01[13:55] <Froborr> How toyetic.
[13:55] <Arrlaari> They powered up to super the first time she did, as well
[13:56] <Sylocat> Oh, does he mean it became a black hole?
01[13:56] <Froborr> Oh, so Tau IS a black hole, that’s not just the visual.
[13:56] <mere_oblivion> Sounds that way to me.
01[13:57] <Froborr> Oops, I meant Hotaru earlier, not Haruka.
01[13:57] <Froborr> Aha.
[13:57] <Sylocat> So many anime subtitles have “At this rate” or “If this continues…” I’m assuming that’s a common phrase in Japanese that translates clunkily?
01[13:57] <Froborr> So that’s Saturn’s theme: not death, not time, not even decay.
01[13:57] <Froborr> She’s putrefaction.
[13:58] <mere_oblivion> I remember that one all the way back to Ranma (“At this rate”)
01[13:58] <Froborr> Life-from-death.
[13:58] <Sylocat> Oh come on, she’s not gonna sacrifice herself twice in one battle
01[14:00] <Froborr> And rebirth.
01[14:01] <Froborr> Oh, this is GOOD.
[14:01] <Sylocat> The heck?
01[14:01] <Froborr> PLEASE tell me Neptune and Uranus adopt her.
01[14:01] <Froborr> YES
[14:01] <Sylocat> I am reminded of Selim Bradley
[14:01] <Arrlaari> 3 moms
01[14:01] <Froborr> Or all three, yes, good
[14:01] <Sylocat> The THREE of them?!
[14:01] <Sylocat> Dang, they’re gay AND poly
01[14:02] <Froborr> Hey, name me a Sailor Moon character that isn’t.
01[14:02] <Froborr> Other than Tuxedo Fedora, I mean.
01[14:02] <Froborr> Well, okay, some of them are bi and poly.
[14:02] <Sylocat> Wait…
[14:03] <Sylocat> Is Hotaru a female Steven Universe now?
01[14:03] <Froborr> You know… she is.
01[14:03] <Froborr> Wait. They’re giving her the mirror?
01[14:03] <Froborr> Interesting again.
[14:04] <Arrlaari> ad
[14:04] <Arrlaari> correctly placed between the eyecatches!
01[14:04] <Froborr> So, one of the things I left out is HOW they used the mirror to draw Amaterasu out of the cave.
[14:05] <Sylocat> So, the rest of the episode is going to set up the next season?
[14:05] <Arrlaari> Also it seems that they got a new english speaker at the subtitling office
01[14:05] <Froborr> Specifically, they set it up facing the cave and then started making a bunch of noise.
01[14:05] <Froborr> Then when Amaterasu peeked out to see what was going on, a single “ray of dawn” illuminated the mirror, and Amaterasu saw what appeared to be a dazzlingly beautiful goddess watching her, so she came out to see what was going on.
01[14:06] <Froborr> So giving it to Chibiusa and telling her to look in it a lot is… interesting, yeah.
01[14:06] <Froborr> Especially given the rebirth/new dawn stuff going on around Hotaru.
[14:06] <Arrlaari> paused after ad
[14:06] <mere_oblivion> Yep
[14:06] <Sylocat> Okay then…
[14:06] <Sylocat> Click
01[14:06] <Froborr> It’s sort of marking Chibiusa as the counterpart to the new Hotaru, ish?
01[14:07] <Froborr> Oh, the coverup/official explanation is a solar eclipse, eh? Yep, Amaterasu in the cave.
[14:08] <Sylocat> Ahahah…
01[14:08] <Froborr> lolol
[14:09] <Sylocat> The next season is gonna be interesting
01[14:10] <Froborr> So… is this season also going to end with Cibiusa returning the instant she leaves?
[14:10] <Sylocat> Probably
[14:10] <Arrlaari> So this segment reminds me of stuff that in the 90’s anime was ambient in most episodes and sometimes tied into the monster of the week
[14:10] <Sylocat> Oh?
[14:11] <Arrlaari> e.g. there was an episode in this season that had a volleyball monster and it was about Venus interest in volleyball conflicting with the demands being a Senshi put on her time
[14:12] <Sylocat> Yep, here’s the setup for next season
[14:12] <Sylocat> Welp, let’s watch the credits
01[14:12] <Froborr> Oh neat, they brought back the good ED!
01[14:13] <Froborr> So… the bell sounded like Pluto, which means it probably wasn’t.
[14:13] <Sylocat> I vaguely remember that the next season involved something called the Deadmoon Circus or something like that, but that’s literally all I remember
[14:14] <Sylocat> (and that may have been the season after next, or something)
[14:16] <Arrlaari> No, I’m pretty sure you’re right
[14:16] <Arrlaari> The next season was probably the best of 90’s Sailor Moon
[14:17] <Arrlaari> Because Ikuhara got to run with an Evil Circus
[14:17] <Sylocat> Dang, that does sound awesome
[14:18] <Arrlaari> The best part is that while the Evil Circus ran some of the most absurd front-for-stealing-humans’-energy businesses, their Circus act was just a legit good Circus show
[14:21] <mere_oblivion> So, see you all next week for MLP?
01[14:21] <Froborr> Yep, double MLP episodes until we catch up!
[14:21] <mere_oblivion> Zowie.
[14:22] <Sylocat> Alrighty then. I should probably be off as well
[14:22] <Arrlaari> So remember last week when I was talking about Homura/Hotaru and Madoka/Chibi-Usa?
[14:22] <mere_oblivion> Ciao 4 nao
[14:23] <Sylocat> (I look forward to reading the rest of the chat on the blog post)
01[14:23] <Froborr> Yep.
[14:23] <Arrlaari> Homura is initially positioned as one of the four supporting Puella Magi to Madoka’s Main Character, but turns out to be significantly more important than the other three and eventually becomes an outright counterpart to Madoka
01[14:24] <Froborr> More or less, yeah.
[14:24] <Arrlaari> Sailor Saturn is one of the nine planetary guardians, but is significantly more powerful than any and, as you pointed out, is positioned as a subordinate counterpart to Sailor Moon
[14:24] <Arrlaari> Additionally, recieving power from Saturn is the last step to Usagi’s transformation into Neo Queen Serenity
[14:25] <Arrlaari> Later, the potential power Madoka recieves from Homura will make it possible for her ascension
01[14:25] <Froborr> Yep.
[14:26] <Arrlaari> My grammar in that sentence was inelegant
01[14:27] <Froborr> Yeah, but I got it.
[14:27] <Arrlaari> You see anything along those lines I haven’t pointed out?
01[14:28] <Froborr> Visual similarities between Homura and Hotaru, of course.
01[14:29] <Froborr> And the whole grim reaper theme plays out differently between the two, but still similar for both Saturn and Homulilly.
[14:34] <Arrlaari> Also: When they were first describing Sailor Saturn, the narrative tries to trick us into thinking that Saturn is an enemy. Personally, I’m confident that the end of Rebellion’s talk about Homura becoming Madoka’s opponent is likewise a thin fakeout
[14:35] <Arrlaari> We don’t even have to go that far, at the start of Madoka season 1 they’re straight up suggesting Homura is an unfriendly actor
01[14:35] <Froborr> Very true.

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