SMC S3E8-9 Liveblog Chat Thingy

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01[13:01] <Froborr> I like that the enemy that’s actually two entities in harmony fights by turning them against each other.
[13:01] <@Sylocat> Wait, am I watching the right one?
[13:01] <@Sylocat> Episode 33?
01[13:01] <Froborr> 34.
01[13:02] <Froborr> We watched 33 last time.
[13:02] <@Sylocat> Ah, okay… hold on, I gotta load that one instead
01[13:02] <Froborr> Ok, I’ll wait at end of the OP.
01[13:03] <Froborr> It’s all confusing because ep 34 is Act 33.
[13:03] <@Sylocat> Yes… which is weird
[13:03] <@Sylocat> Ah, dad just got here…
01[13:05] <Froborr> I just got through the ads at the end of the op, I’m on the title card.
01[13:06] <Froborr> Shall I wait for you and your dad to catch up?
[13:06] <@Sylocat> Sure
[13:10] <@Sylocat> So, the story so far, the baddies of this mini-arc have turned the Sailor Scouts against each other, or at least, turned Sailor Moon’s 4 friends against newcomers Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto
[13:11] <mere_oblivion> Thanks, Sylo!
[13:12] <@Sylocat> Okay, we’re caught up…
[13:12] <@Sylocat> Click
[13:13] <@Sylocat> Twilight Sparkle would be proud
01[13:13] <Froborr> …that was easier than I expected it to be.
01[13:13] <Froborr> Oh, is THAT where Sokka’s Space Sword ended up.
[13:13] <@Sylocat> Uh oh… but this also just gave away the Talismans’ locations
[13:14] <@Sylocat> Ah, new toy design
01[13:15] <Froborr> Yep. New dolls of everyone!
[13:17] <@Sylocat> Ah, so this is when your theory gets confirmed, I assume
01[13:17] <Froborr> Hmm, maybe not? It’s looking more like she’s being possessed by a *servant* of Pharoah 90. Or has an alternate personality that’s a servant or whatever.
01[13:19] <Froborr> The talismen are the key to awakening “her,” eh?
01[13:20] <Froborr> And the moment they activate Hotaru’s evil side wakes up?
01[13:20] <Froborr> Wait, they can fly!?
01[13:21] <Froborr> And immediately my brain goes to “Wait, Xena can’t fly!” “I told you, I’m not Xena, I’m Lucy Lawless!”
[13:21] <mere_oblivion> Musy be cool to have Patrons.
[13:21] <mere_oblivion> Must be cool
01[13:22] <Froborr> It’s all right. 😉
01[13:22] <Froborr> I mean, I wish mine gave me a freakin’ million yen.
01[13:22] <Froborr> Not that I don’t appreciate what I get off Patreon!
01[13:22] <Froborr> Ad.
[13:22] <Sylocat_> And now we get Saturn’s backstory as well
01[13:23] <Froborr> And that is totally Hotaru. So is her evil personality a Sailor Scout? Is Saturn evil for some reason?
[13:23] <Sylocat_> Green Ranger
01[13:23] <Froborr> I’m assuming that’s a power rangers reference.
03[13:23] * Sylocat_ is now known as Sylocat
01[13:23] <Froborr> I’m about 5 years too old to get those, I’m afraid.
[13:24] <mere_oblivion> Froborr, what’s the Lucy Lawless quote from?
01[13:24] <Froborr> Simpsons.
[13:24] <mere_oblivion> Ah.
[13:24] <Sylocat> Well, I’m probably too old to get them too… ^_^;
01[13:25] <Froborr> The one where Bart and Lisa were superheroes. A Halloween episode maybe?
[13:25] <Sylocat> But yeah, pretty much each iteration of Power Rangers, one of them starts out as evil and has to be recruited
01[13:25] <Froborr> Ah.
01[13:26] <Froborr> Blarg, these ads are going FOREVER.
[13:26] <mere_oblivion> Sure you’re not watching the Olympics?
01[13:26] <Froborr> Okay, I want to know what marketer thought furniture commercials on Crunchyroll were a good idea.
[13:26] <Sylocat> Oh snap
01[13:27] <Froborr> Anime fans can’t afford furniture!
01[13:27] <Froborr> Okay, paused at eyecatch.
[13:27] <Sylocat> Well, Sailor Uranus just said she can’t either
[13:27] <Sylocat> (maybe the ad algorithm somehow noticed that?)
[13:27] <Sylocat> Okay…
[13:27] <Sylocat> Click
01[13:27] <Froborr> Whoa, that’s quite a spear you’ve got there.
[13:28] <Sylocat> “Planet of Ruin?” “Guardian of Silence?” Dayumn
[13:28] <Sylocat> “Silence Glaive.” It even has a badass name
01[13:28] <Froborr> Damn.
01[13:29] <Froborr> That seems like a superpower of limited application.
[13:29] <Sylocat> So why is Saturn the Planet of Ruin? Is that some Japanese mythology thing?
[13:30] <Sylocat> In Roman mythology, Saturn was Cronus (Jupiter’s/Zeus’s dad), right?
01[13:31] <Froborr> Yeah.
[13:31] <Sylocat> “the” accident?
01[13:31] <Froborr> So she’s a cyborg AND has apocalypse powers.
01[13:32] <Froborr> And that bit seemed pretty badly translated, the next line was missing at least one word.
01[13:33] <Froborr> Just noticed how awesome Neptune’s shoes are.
[13:35] <Sylocat> So, how much of this do the Professor and Kaolinite know?
01[13:35] <Froborr> Wait.
[13:35] <Sylocat> Whoa, she has Bayonetta hair suddenly
01[13:35] <Froborr> Wait wait wait.
01[13:35] <Froborr> Lady with prehensile tail. [ed: I meant hair]
[13:35] <Sylocat> WHAT
01[13:36] <Froborr> Cantaloupe shaped things possessing people.
01[13:36] <Froborr> I’VE SEEN THIS BEFORE.
[13:36] <Sylocat> You have?
[13:36] <Sylocat> Huh? It is?
01[13:37] <Froborr> I think what I saw must have been a compilation movie or something?
01[13:37] <Froborr> Ad.
[13:37] <Sylocat> It’s just the credits after this
01[13:37] <Froborr> Yeah, queueing next episode.
[13:37] <mere_oblivion> so Sailor Saturn is Lord of the Rings?
01[13:38] <Froborr> But yeah, I’ve known for years that this thing I watched as a kid was *probably* a Sailor Moon compilation movie.
01[13:38] <Froborr> All I remember were evil cantaloupes that possessed people and a lady with evil hair.
[13:39] <Sylocat> I wonder if the original anime had those
01[13:39] <Froborr> I mean, if they were in the compilation movie, probably?
[13:40] <Sylocat> (also, I have to wonder if Bayonetta was based on Evil Sailor Saturn, given their resemblance and the hair powers)
01[13:40] <Froborr> Seems plausible.
01[13:40] <Froborr> I am paused at beginnign of next ep, btw.
[13:40] <Sylocat> Ok, we ready?
[13:40] <Sylocat> Click
01[13:41] <Froborr> Wait, WHAT?
[13:41] <Sylocat> Jeez, this is a dark twist
[13:41] <Sylocat> Huh?
[13:41] <Sylocat> They haven’t? Then what was that?
01[13:42] <Froborr> So… Hotaru is Sailor Saturn, and *independently* of that possessed by one of the villains?
01[13:42] <Froborr> Also, I know hthis is a serious dramatic moment and all, but *damn* that outfit on Uranus.
[13:43] <Sylocat> So, maybe she wasn’t Sailor Saturn when she destroyed the world in the future?
01[13:43] <Froborr> Wait, I thought she destroyed the world in the past.
01[13:43] <Froborr> The moon-world or whatever it is.
[13:44] <Sylocat> Wait, that was their past life? I knew I missed part of that exposition
[13:44] <Sylocat> Did they put the ad mid-credits?
01[13:44] <Froborr> WTF, there’s an ad in the MIDDLE of the credits?
[13:44] <Sylocat> I wonder if all the ad breaks are exactly that far out of sync this ep
[13:45] <mere_oblivion> Fans obsess more about furniture during credits.
01[13:45] <Froborr> This ad is such garbage, they didn’t even edit out the bits where the boring dude stumbled over his lines.
[13:45] <Sylocat> Oh boy
01[13:46] <Froborr> Political ad about obscure bill under consideration type thing.
01[13:46] <Froborr> Because I’m going to form a political opinion on a complex topic based on a 30-second spot that only presents one side.
[13:46] <mere_oblivion> & fails to mention furniture!
01[13:46] <Froborr> Jesus Christ the ads are INTERMINABLE today.
[13:46] <Sylocat> Well, the purpose of those ads is base mobilization rather than persuasion
01[13:47] <Froborr> I find it difficult to believe that Crunchyroll viewers are part of the base for one side of an issue that even *I* (a moderately wonky person) was too bored by to follow what it actually is.
01[13:48] <Froborr> Something about taxes and foreign corporations and *yawn* just destroy capitalism already sheesh.
01[13:48] <Froborr> Paused at end of credits.
01[13:49] <Froborr> But I guess if some Crunchyroll viewers are rich enough to afford buying furniture, they’re probably rich enough to have investments too.
[13:50] <Sylocat> Ok, at end of credits
[13:50] <Sylocat> Click
[13:50] <Sylocat> Ah, so Tuxedo Fedora is leaving the show for a couple episodes?
[13:50] <Sylocat> Wait, didn’t they do something like this on Once Upon a Time?
01[13:50] <Froborr> No idea, never seen it.
[13:53] <Sylocat> Ah, so it was Master Pharoh 90’s WIFE that possessed Hotaru?
01[13:53] <Froborr> You know, it’s interesting that the #3 person in the invasion is named along the same theme as Beryl’s minions.
[13:53] <Sylocat> Huh. I thought EvilHotaru was about to kill Kaolinite, but no, Kaolinite is gonna be a wild card
[13:54] <Sylocat> They have a hard time with articles in these subtitles. Is that due to a T/V distinction or just bad translation overall, you think?
01[13:55] <Froborr> I don’t think Japanese has a T/V distinction, that’s an Indo-European thing IIRC.
01[13:55] <Froborr> In fact, IIRC Japanese doesn’t have articles at all?
[13:56] <Sylocat> Wait, I thought they’d been killed
[13:56] <mere_oblivion> I thought so too
[13:56] <Sylocat> Oh, so ALL the Witches are reincarnated in the labyrinth
01[13:56] <Froborr> Kaolinite did that ritual or whatever?
[13:57] <Sylocat> Or maybe they’re (partly?) reincarnated from the Scouts’ bad memories of them?
01[13:57] <Froborr> Oh, and they’re going to try to possess everyone or whatever.
[13:58] <Sylocat> So they’re going the Memoria route for this dungeon?
01[13:58] <Froborr> Looks like.
01[13:58] <Froborr> Which makes sense if Kaolinite populated it with essentially ghosts.
01[13:59] <Froborr> Ad.
[14:00] <Sylocat> I assume about 20 seconds from this ad break will be the mid-ep title card?
01[14:00] <Froborr> I thought we already had that.
[14:01] <Sylocat> Did we? I missed it
01[14:05] <Froborr> The ads are STILL GOING
[14:05] <Sylocat> Yeesh
01[14:05] <Froborr> Paused after ads.
[14:06] <Sylocat> Ok…
[14:06] <Sylocat> Click
[14:06] <mere_oblivion> Botany: the deadly science!
[14:07] <Sylocat> Poppies, poppies will put them to sleep…
01[14:08] <Froborr> Ah, I was wondering what her temptation would be, but apparently she gets guilt and self-doubt instead.
[14:08] <Sylocat> She figured that out pretty quick
[14:08] <Sylocat> Eww
[14:09] <Sylocat> The heck are they suspended in?
01[14:09] <Froborr> Mayonaisse?
[14:09] <Sylocat> That’s better than what it really looks like…
01[14:10] <Froborr> …ew.
[14:10] <Sylocat> Now that’s an awesome attack name
[14:13] <Sylocat> Whoa
[14:13] <Sylocat> Kaolinite’s final form is freaky
[14:13] <mere_oblivion> I don’t like her anymore if she looks like that
01[14:14] <Froborr> Quadruple tech!
[14:14] <Sylocat> It’s buffering, can we pause for a second
[14:14] <mere_oblivion> Indeed
01[14:14] <Froborr> k
[14:16] <Sylocat> Ok, click
[14:17] <Sylocat> Dang, when Kaolinite stormed out, I was hoping she’d stick around to be a wild card for a while
01[14:17] <Froborr> Did she just EAT the crystal!?
01[14:17] <Froborr> New ED?
01[14:18] <Froborr> Oh, it’s Fedora Mask themed, nm.
[14:18] <Sylocat> Well, the last ED seemed a little too cheerful after what had just happened
01[14:19] <Froborr> “Horatu-chan”?
01[14:19] <Froborr> Man, the subtitles are just RIDDLED with errors the last couple of eps.
[14:19] <Sylocat> Yeah…
[14:19] <mere_oblivion> Truth
[14:20] <Sylocat> A whole lotta sub-numbers in these episode titles
01[14:20] <Froborr> Yeah, getting pretty absurd.
02[14:20] * mere_oblivion (b83c1db1@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Quit (Quit: Page closed)
01[14:20] <Froborr> Sailor Moon Crystal: Season 3: Part 5: Act 11: Episode 23.9: Subsection 8(a): Paragraph 15
[14:21] <Sylocat> I wonder what Master Pharoh 90 is going to turn out to actually BE
01[14:21] <Froborr> Yeah.
01[14:21] <Froborr> I was kind of intrigued a few episodes ago by the implication that the Witches 5 were Sailor Scout equivalents for another star system that died, but they don’t seem to have gone with it.
01[14:22] <Froborr> Too bad, I kind of like the idea of a team vs. team conflict instead of team vs. single main villain with minions.
01[14:22] <Froborr> Team vs hierarchy, I guess?
[14:22] <Sylocat> Yeah… they had that going for a while, but now the Scouts are all one big happy family again
[14:22] <Sylocat> Well, sort of
01[14:24] <Froborr> I didn’t so much mean internal conflict within the scouts, more scouts vs. a villain team that parallels them.
[14:24] <Sylocat> Oh, I know

4 thoughts on “SMC S3E8-9 Liveblog Chat Thingy

  1. The first part of Mamoru’s ED is mostly him dancing out of the spotlight, which is appropriate.
    I’ve mentioned before that in the 90’s anime, the Holy Grail was a MacGuffin for the first part of this season. Now I can elaborate. There was much more emphasis on the “Messiah” (consistently pronounced meshia by the actresses), who would be awakened by the Grail. It was established early (from audience perspective) that the Death Busters wanted to use the Grail to turn Hotaru into their “Messiah of Silence,” who was able to speak through Hotaru on a regular basis. Pharoh 90 was unable to communicate except by that proxy. As a matter of fact, I don’t recall Pharoh 90 having a single line all season – it was all about Mistress 9.
    “We have to kill Hotaru to save the world” was an issue and significantly more durable than it is here, but the motive was their knowledge that Hotaru was likely to be the “Messiah of Silence.” The order of the Sailor Saturn and Mistress 9 reveals was reversed – the other 3 outer senshi didn’t know in advance.

  2. The pronunciation of “Messiah” makes sense, both because Japanese has a “shi” syllable but not “si,” and because it’s slightly closer to the original Hebrew word, Moshiach.

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