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Penguindrum 13

01[13:01] <Froborr> Ah, yet another person who hates fate.
01[13:01] <Froborr> Good man.
[13:01] <Sylocat> Same here
01[13:01] <Froborr> Wait, is that librarian or Bluebro talking?
[13:01] <Sylocat> I think it’s Blue Oniichan talking
[13:01] <Arrlaari> I think it’s Kanba, not Shou or Sanetoshi
01[13:02] <Froborr> Kanba is Redbro?
[13:02] <Arrlaari> yes
01[13:02] <Froborr> Hmm, could be, it looked like some of the shots might have been from his POV outside the room.
01[13:03] <Froborr> Weren’t he and whatserface watching through a big glass window last ep?
[13:03] <Arrlaari> Wasn’t Kanba holding Himari’s hand in the room?
01[13:03] <Froborr> Ad.
[13:03] <Sylocat> Ad
[13:03] <Arrlaari> ad
[13:03] <Arrlaari> Last ep I believe Shou and Ringo were watching through the window
01[13:03] <Froborr> …I thought Blue was in the room and Red was watching, but I might be remembering wrong.
[13:03] <Sylocat> PBS and Ridley Scott are doing a Civil War miniseries?
01[13:03] <Froborr> You’re probably right, Arr. I trust your ability to remember these shows more than mine.
[13:04] <Sylocat> Same here
01[13:04] <Froborr> Paused after ads.
[13:05] <Sylocat> Paused after ads
[13:05] <Arrlaari> I forgot to pause after ads
[13:05] <Sylocat> Ah. Can you rewind?
[13:05] <Arrlaari> About 2:38 correct?
[13:05] <Sylocat> 2:31 for me
01[13:05] <Froborr> 2:31
[13:05] <Arrlaari> Close enough for me
[13:05] <Sylocat> Alrighty then
[13:05] <Sylocat> Click
[13:06] <Sylocat> So, Sanetoshi can take physical form in our world?
01[13:06] <Froborr> You’re right, Red’s in the room.
[13:06] <Sylocat> The heck…?
[13:07] <Sylocat> Ouch
[13:07] <Arrlaari> What a trustworthy thing for this trustworthy character to say
[13:07] <Sylocat> Indeed
01[13:07] <Froborr> lol Arr
[13:07] <Sylocat> Did Himari tell them about Sanetoshi? I don’t think she did
01[13:08] <Froborr> Not that we saw
[13:08] <Arrlaari> I’m pretty sure they didn’t, and she may not clearly remember the encounter
[13:08] <Sylocat> Right, she doesn’t remember anything that happens while she’s in the hat IIRC
[13:09] <Sylocat> Yeesh, this night must have been extra-traumatizing with these guys around
[13:09] <Arrlaari> We’ve been hearing that phone ring for a long time
01[13:10] <Froborr> Yeah, every time there’s a flashback.
[13:10] <Arrlaari> Penguin 3 is transluscent
01[13:10] <Froborr> Himari’s penguin is fading.
[13:11] <Sylocat> What just happened?
[13:11] <Arrlaari> Keiyaku are very trustworthy
01[13:11] <Froborr> I’m pretty sure Redbro just made a deal with the devil is what happened.
[13:12] <Sylocat> They holed up at a love hotel?
[13:13] <Sylocat> “Thirteen years ago?”
[13:13] <Sylocat> Why do the brothers have different surnames?
[13:15] <Arrlaari> ad
01[13:15] <Froborr> Ad
[13:15] <Sylocat> Ad
01[13:15] <Froborr> I’m really curious about what happened thirteen years ago that connected to the bombing.
[13:15] <Sylocat> Yeah… were we supposed to be able to hear what the reporter was saying?
[13:16] <Arrlaari> THIS time I paused after my ad
[13:16] <Sylocat> Either you were really far ahead of me or you got way fewer ads
[13:16] <Arrlaari> It was a short ad
01[13:16] <Froborr> I don’t think we were.
01[13:16] <Froborr> Paused after ads.
[13:17] <Arrlaari> We all reported the ad starting at about the same time
[13:17] <Sylocat> Okay then…
[13:17] <Sylocat> click
[13:17] <Sylocat> The heck?
01[13:17] <Froborr> It’s one of those sliding puzzles. We saw it in the hospital before.
[13:17] <Arrlaari> I thought it was in the library?
01[13:18] <Froborr> The library is in the hospital. Or at least it was.
01[13:18] <Froborr> They got to the library through the hospital, anyway
01[13:18] <Froborr> “THe same type of human as me”
01[13:18] <Froborr> Interesting.
[13:19] <Arrlaari> Also, “the same eyes as me”
[13:19] <Sylocat> His eye color is important?
[13:19] <Sylocat> It’s always kind of a “cheat” when we suddenly learn that an anime character’s eye or hair color is supposed to be important
[13:19] <Sylocat> Is he talking directly to the audience?
01[13:20] <Froborr> I believe he may be.
[13:20] <Sylocat> Wait, don’t tell me that that medicine is literally supposed to be Narrativium
01[13:20] <Froborr> Ah, no, he’s talking to the penguin hat.
01[13:20] <Froborr> Because of course he is.
[13:21] <Sylocat> “My love?” So the hat really is Momoka?
[13:21] <Arrlaari> I suspect that the person Sanetoshi refers to is not Momoka
[13:22] <Sylocat> Thanks to the subtitles for explaining that
[13:23] <Sylocat> Ah, I’d forgotten about Luigi
01[13:24] <Froborr> Right, I’d forgotten Momoka died in the subway bobing.
01[13:24] <Froborr> Oh, the parents are at large? I’d assumed they died in the bombing.
[13:25] <Sylocat> I thought the parents died three years ago
[13:25] <Sylocat> The bombing was 13 years before that
[13:26] <Sylocat> Ad
[13:26] <Arrlaari> ad
01[13:26] <Froborr> AD
01[13:26] <Froborr> Okay, I’m extremely ocnfused about the timeframe here.
01[13:26] <Froborr> How old is Himari?
[13:26] <Sylocat> The bombing took place the day Ringo was born… I’m assuming Ringo is 16? That sems about right
01[13:26] <Froborr> Because I can’t see any of them being old enough for the bombing to have been 16 years ago.
[13:27] <Arrlaari> paused after ad
01[13:27] <Froborr> But that would mean all three siblings are old enough to have been verbal 16 years ago.
[13:28] <Sylocat> I don’t think we saw any of the siblings 16 years ago, just 3 years ago
[13:28] <Sylocat> Paused after ad
01[13:28] <Froborr> But that’s when the bombing happened!
[13:28] <Arrlaari> This episode, we see them on the date of the bombing
01[13:28] <Froborr> They saw it on TV!
[13:28] <Sylocat> Ah… was that the bombing they saw on TV three years ago/
[13:28] <Arrlaari> Momoka was born on the day of the bombing
[13:29] <Arrlaari> Er, Ringo
[13:29] <Arrlaari> Momoka’s sister
01[13:29] <Froborr> But Ringo isn’t three!
[13:29] <Sylocat> I assumed it was something else that happened 3 years ago
01[13:29] <Froborr> I’m also paused after ad but I want to make sense of this.
01[13:30] <Froborr> So… the bombing that killed Momoka was 16 years ago, and then 13 years ago their parents (who were responsible for both bombings) were killed in a second bombing?
01[13:31] <Froborr> Or… they mentioned their parents being on the run.
[13:31] <Arrlaari> I think Ringo is 13 years old. The new subway system is 10 years old as of today, they told us so it must be significant
[13:31] <Sylocat> No, the phrase “13 years ago” was itself spoken 3 years ago
01[13:31] <Froborr> Is it that the police took 13 years to figure out who did it, and so three years ago their parents went on the run just before the police showed up at their house?
[13:32] <Arrlaari> The bombing was recent, they were hearing about bombs underground on the news
01[13:32] <Froborr> So were there two bombings, 13 years apart?
[13:32] <Sylocat> Yeah, apparently
01[13:32] <Froborr> And the parents were responsible for both, and went on the run after the second?
[13:32] <Arrlaari> Why do we believe there are two bombings?
01[13:33] <Froborr> Because Momoko died in a bombing and Ringo was born the day she died.
[13:33] <Sylocat> I’m not sure
[13:33] <Sylocat> Was the second incident a bombing? I don’t think that was established
[13:33] <Arrlaari> Where does 3 years ago come from?
[13:33] <Sylocat> I think “3 years ago” was the heading on the flashback this episode
01[13:33] <Froborr> I am so confused.
[13:33] <Arrlaari> Hm. We’re at 20:32 now, I’m going to rewind and look
[13:34] <Arrlaari> You are correct, the flashback this episode is 3 years ago
[13:34] <Sylocat> Yep, 3 years ago
01[13:34] <Froborr> You know what?
01[13:35] <Froborr> I’m declaring Ikuhara.
01[13:35] <Froborr> Different characters remember events in completely incompatible ways and they’re all correct.
[13:36] <Sylocat> All right… I tried to re-fast-forward and got another ad break, I’ll let you know when it’s done
[13:37] <Arrlaari> I was able to fast forward without an ad, paused at 20:33
[13:38] <Sylocat> Great, I got BOTH ad breaks I tried to skip over… 52 seconds left on mine, and it’s stuttering
[13:38] <Arrlaari> Thinking about it, I suspect the news reports Shou refers to are bombs discovered underground before they were detonated
01[13:38] <Froborr> Yeah, like the plan was for the bombing to be much worse, but they found some.
01[13:38] <Froborr> Maybe that’s why the parents went on the run, because they knew the police had foudn the bombs and might be able to trace it to them.
[13:39] <Sylocat> Paused after ad
[13:39] <Sylocat> Click
01[13:39] <Froborr> Aw, she’s making peace with her father.
01[13:40] <Froborr> She’s accepting she can’t recreate her family the way it was, but she can have a family the way it is.
[13:41] <Arrlaari> Tokyo Sky Metro, shortens to the same acronym as Team Solo Mid, one of the oldest competitive League of Legends team
[13:41] <Arrlaari> New ED
[13:41] <Sylocat> Coincidence?!
[13:41] <Sylocat> I was just about to say, I remember the ED being different
01[13:41] <Froborr> New ED, but it’s still focused on the red thread of fate and Triple H.
[13:42] <Arrlaari> Red strings
01[13:42] <Froborr> Also: I’m pretty sure that’s the name of a professional wrestler.
01[13:42] <Froborr> Ooh, those hands. Implication that Dr. Librarian is puppeteering fate itsels…
[13:42] <Sylocat> Okay, queueing up the next ep
01[13:42] <Froborr> *itself
01[13:43] <Froborr> Attempted to queue it, accidentally queued the first episode of Utena instead.
01[13:43] <Froborr> Hang on.
[13:43] <Arrlaari> It looked to me like the two hands belonged to two different people
[13:43] <Sylocat> Easy mistake to make
[13:43] <Arrlaari> I assumed it was Himari’s parents
[13:43] <Sylocat> Okay, episode cued up, paused after ad
[13:44] <Arrlaari> paused after ad
01[13:44] <Froborr> I thought it was one person wearing white, with one hand in shadow, but it could be two people.
01[13:44] <Froborr> I’ll take another look next ep.
Penguindrum 14
01[13:53] <Froborr> Ah right, the actress.
[13:53] <Sylocat> Ah, I was wondering what she was up to
01[13:53] <Froborr> I thought she was quitting?
[13:53] <Sylocat> The World’s Most Chill Human Being
[13:54] <Arrlaari> She announced that the production she is currently acting in would be her last
[13:54] <Sylocat> Suddenly a modern musical number in a period piece? Is this a Kenneth Branagh production?
[13:55] <Sylocat> I’d sort of assumed her “quitting” was one of those publicity-tour stunts
01[13:55] <Froborr> I hope so.
[13:55] <Sylocat> Like how CERTAIN MUSICIANS have “farewell tours” every year for decades
01[13:55] <Froborr> I like her, and it’d suck if she had to abandon her career because bs about women and marriage.
01[13:55] <Froborr> Ad.
[13:55] <Sylocat> Ad
[13:55] <Arrlaari> ad
[13:56] <Arrlaari> paused after ad
[13:56] <Sylocat> Paused after ad
01[13:57] <Froborr> I’ve still got 45 seconds, bleh
[13:57] <Arrlaari> I wonder how teachers’ salaries in JP compare to US
01[13:57] <Froborr> Paused after ads.
01[13:57] <Froborr> Arr: It’s difficult to imagine they’re paid less.
[13:57] <Sylocat> Click
[13:58] <Sylocat> Whoa, is she…
[13:58] <Sylocat> The heck?
01[13:58] <Froborr> …wait, she’s having an affair wiht a woman?
[13:58] <Sylocat> Oh, this is a piece?
[13:59] <Sylocat> Huh?
01[13:59] <Froborr> I am so fucking confused.
[13:59] <Sylocat> What the….
[13:59] <Arrlaari> Is the theatricality of that scene because they’re actors?
01[13:59] <Froborr> Was that the person playing the male lead in the play?
01[13:59] <Froborr> I think so.
[13:59] <Sylocat> That’s certainly how actors break up with one another
01[14:00] <Froborr> Ah, yes, I forgot we had someone with personal experience with actors present.
[14:00] <Arrlaari> How recently Sylo called this person the World’s Most Chill Human Being
01[14:00] <Froborr> So… either she was having an affair with her trans male costar and deliberatley misgendered him as part of the breakup
01[14:01] <Froborr> Or she was having a lesbian affair but they roleplayed het gender roles and she was insulting her lover about that?
[14:01] <Sylocat> Or it was a Twelfth Night/As You Like it scenario
01[14:01] <Froborr> Also plausible, these ARE actors who apparently specialize in period pieces.
[14:03] <Sylocat> That’s… uncharacteristically insightful for Ringo. Maybe she’s growing?
01[14:03] <Froborr> So apparently this is Melodramatic Breakup Day.
01[14:03] <Froborr> And Adorable Dual Knitting Day.
[14:03] <Sylocat> Wait, that’s the outfit she wears in PenguinHat world!
01[14:04] <Froborr> Oh.
01[14:04] <Froborr> Oh wow.
01[14:04] <Froborr> I think I just figured something out.
[14:04] <Sylocat> What?
01[14:04] <Froborr> The train tracks, fate, “survival tactic.”
01[14:04] <Froborr> What if the thing possessing Himari is Himari?
01[14:05] <Froborr> But an alternate Himari.
[14:05] <Sylocat> Huh?
[14:05] <Sylocat> My stream broke
[14:05] <Sylocat> Oh wait, it’s back
[14:05] <Sylocat> It blacked out for a moment for some reason
[14:05] <Sylocat> Dang, I should cosplay as him for next GeekKon
[14:06] <Sylocat> I would look so good in that coat with those scarves
[14:06] <Sylocat> Evil Penguin looks cute in that swimsuit
[14:06] <Sylocat> Wait, the WHAT?
01[14:06] <Froborr> Ad.
[14:06] <Sylocat> The Mawaru Drum washing machine?
[14:06] <Arrlaari> ad
[14:07] <Sylocat> Ad here too
01[14:07] <Froborr> Yeah, I saw that too.
[14:07] <Arrlaari> “The Vixen” is almost certainly the actress
01[14:07] <Froborr> The Mawaru Drum Washing Machine, being advertised by Yuri.
01[14:07] <Froborr> Probably a hint that Yuri has the Penguindrum/is “the vixen”
[14:08] <Arrlaari> paused after ad
[14:08] <Sylocat> Paused after ad
[14:08] <Sylocat> Wait, what? Oh shit, hang on
01[14:08] <Froborr> Anyway, what I was saying earlier… what if Dr. Librarian really IS puppeteering fate–what if that drug alters destiny?
[14:08] <Sylocat> I clicked the wrong thing, gotta hit “Back” and reload
01[14:09] <Froborr> Paused after ad.
01[14:10] <Froborr> Anyway, that’d be why Himari has the costume–it’s another her, one that DID join Triple H.
[14:10] <Sylocat> …Now it’s not loading
[14:10] <Sylocat> Okay, hang on, trying again
01[14:10] <Froborr> I mean why Hat!Himari has the costume.
01[14:10] <Froborr> I dunno, it’s a thought.
[14:10] <Sylocat> Ah, so that explains the motif of “fate”
[14:10] <Sylocat> It’s an alternate Himari where her “fate” was to join Triple H
01[14:10] <Froborr> Yeah, exactly!
01[14:11] <Froborr> The train-tracks motif fits too–it’d hardly be the first time they were used as a metaphor for destiny or alternate timelines.
[14:11] <Arrlaari> The ED shows Himari in a triple H costume
01[14:11] <Froborr> Both EDs do!
[14:11] <Sylocat> I didn’t even realize that was a Triple H costume until now
01[14:11] <Froborr> In fact both EDs appear to show her as a member of Triple H, with the two girls that comprise Double H in the show.
01[14:12] <Froborr> Yeah, same here.
01[14:12] <Froborr> Until they showed them on the magazine cover.
[14:12] <Sylocat> Okay now the episode won’t load at all
[14:12] <Sylocat> Hang on, going to try and find another stream
[14:12] <Arrlaari> Really? I made that connection in the episode that introduced Himari’s past with Double H
01[14:12] <Froborr> If you mentioned it, I’ve forgotten.
01[14:13] <Froborr> My memory for these things is not great, as we’ve established over the ourse of these liveblogs…
[14:13] <Arrlaari> I don’t think I said anything. Why would I point out something so obvious?
[14:13] <Sylocat> Okay, what time are you guys paused at?
[14:14] <Arrlaari> Without the theory that the Hat is alternate Himari, it’s not especially significant
[14:14] <Arrlaari> 11:18
01[14:14] <Froborr> 11:19.
[14:15] <Sylocat> Okay, ready…
[14:15] <Sylocat> Click
[14:16] <Arrlaari> Does anyone know what “Mawaru” means?
01[14:16] <Froborr> I don’t.
[14:16] <Sylocat> Okay, gogoanime is broken too
01[14:16] <Froborr> Also, is Yuri hitting on Ringo?
01[14:17] <Froborr> Should we pause, Sylo?
[14:17] <Sylocat> Wait, it’s working now
[14:17] <Arrlaari> I’m paused
[14:17] <Arrlaari> 13:10
01[14:17] <Froborr> 13:20, lemme go back a bit.
01[14:17] <Froborr> Okay, 13:12.
[14:17] <Sylocat> Alright, I think the time stamps on gogoanime are a little off
[14:17] <Sylocat> But click, anyway
[14:18] <Sylocat> Whoa
01[14:18] <Froborr> Lol, Esmeralda gave the gross penguin cards of herself.
[14:18] <Sylocat> Marshmallow sniper has a machine gun
[14:19] <Sylocat> “Clan?”
[14:19] <Sylocat> Whoa, he got the drop on her?
01[14:20] <Froborr> So does Marshmallow Sniper know Redbro’s into his sister, or does she think he’s into Ringo?
01[14:20] <Froborr> …Yuri, please don’t turn out to be as gross as I’m worried you’re about to turn out to be.
[14:20] <Sylocat> Oh yikes
[14:20] <Arrlaari> If she has been watching Kanba as close as she says, she could see that Ringo’s connection is to Shou
[14:21] <Sylocat> So, every time we see Yuri she has a completely different psychology
[14:21] <Arrlaari> Theory: Yuri’s first love was Momoka
01[14:21] <Froborr> Yes, but she wouldn’t be the first delusionally jealous person in this she.
01[14:21] <Froborr> *show
01[14:21] <Froborr> Good observation–it’s like Yuri has a whole bunch of different personae she takes on and off.
01[14:21] <Froborr> How… actorly of her.
[14:21] <Sylocat> Whoa
01[14:22] <Froborr> Ad.
[14:22] <Arrlaari> ad
[14:22] <Arrlaari> I have the impression that scent is a trope in yuri
[14:22] <Arrlaari> Which, uh, suggests that Yuri is about to be as gross as Froborr fears
[14:23] <Sylocat> Do all hot springs have ping-pong rec rooms? I remember Outlaw Star had one too
[14:23] <Arrlaari> paused after ad, though I lost a few seconds because I thought it was another ad. 17:41
01[14:24] <Froborr> I’ve still got at least 30 seconds.
01[14:24] <Froborr> More if it fails to load an ad.
01[14:24] <Froborr> Paused after ad.
[14:24] <Sylocat> Click
01[14:25] <Froborr> Oh. Yeah, I see why you thought that’d be an ad.
01[14:25] <Froborr> Yuri.
01[14:25] <Froborr> Yuri.
01[14:26] <Froborr> DO NOT ROOFIE RINGO
01[14:26] <Froborr> THAT IS NOT OKAY
[14:26] <Sylocat> YURI STAHP
[14:27] <Sylocat> This show is Messed. Up.
[14:28] <Sylocat> WHOA
[14:28] <Sylocat> So SHE took the diary
[14:29] <Arrlaari> And hence is “the vixen” being hunted by Marshmallow Sniper
01[14:29] <Froborr> What. The. Fuck.
[14:29] <Sylocat> The heck is with THAT cliffhanger?
01[14:29] <Froborr> If the next episode doesn’t resolve the cliffhanger with Marshmallow Sniper shooting Yuri right off Ringo, I will be UPSET.
01[14:30] <Froborr> I mean, I’m pretty upset either way, but
[14:30] <Sylocat> Also, please tell me it’s not going to turn out that Yuri is trans. Ikuhara wouldn’t do THAT, would he?
01[14:30] <Froborr> I dunno, he’s never really tackled trans issues that I recall.
[14:31] <Arrlaari> I’m not sure where your suspicion came from?
01[14:32] <Froborr> Yuri said some things about hating her body, and her lover mentioned something about “the secret of your body” or something like that.
[14:32] <Sylocat> Well, that line about “the secret of your body”
[14:32] <Sylocat> What Froborr said
[14:32] <Arrlaari> Looking at the hands at the end of the ED, they do look like they could both belong to the same person
01[14:33] <Froborr> Ah, I forgot to look!
01[14:33] <Froborr> And I closed the window, blast.
[14:33] <Arrlaari> There’s a right and a left hand, one of which is in shadow, and the ends of the sleeves are the same shape
[14:33] <Sylocat> Yeah, the sleeve design is similar on those hands
[14:33] <Sylocat> Well, anyway… that happened
01[14:34] <Froborr> Yeah. Yeah it did.
[14:34] <Arrlaari> Is it just me or does the ED have a different song than the last episode?
01[14:34] <Froborr> I’m not sure.
[14:34] <Sylocat> I couldn’t tell
[14:36] <Arrlaari> I hit back to confirm, the song is different
[14:36] <Arrlaari> Lyrics and tune
[14:36] <Sylocat> Huh
[14:36] <Arrlaari> And the background color changed.
[14:36] <Sylocat> I wonder if there’s a different one each time
[14:36] <Sylocat> I guess we’ll find out
[14:36] <Arrlaari> Ep 13 had a grey background, ep 14 had a reddish orange
01[14:37] <Froborr> That I did notice.
[14:37] <Sylocat> I am officially going to go back and re-watch the entire thing so far before next weekend
01[14:39] <Froborr> I really wish I had time to do that.
[14:40] <Arrlaari> There’s a deliberate contrast, I think, between Yuri’s premeditated rape of Ringo in this episode and Ringo’s earlier plots to rape Tabuki
01[14:40] <Froborr> Yeah, Ringo’s plots are… well, childish.
01[14:41] <Froborr> This was horrifyingly not.

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