Vision of Escaflowne Episode 21 and MLPFIM S5E7 Liveblog Chat Thingy!

How to participate in the liveblog chat:  Option 1: Whenever you watch the episode, comment on this post as you watch with whatever responses you feel like posting! Option 2: Go to Enter a nickname, then for the Channels field enter ##rabbitcube, and finally fill in the Captcha and hit Connect! We’ll be watching Vision of Escaflowne and commenting there starting at 2:00 p.m. EST. We will then be watching MLP at 2:30. 
I’ll post a chatlog once the liveblog is complete!
Chatlog below the cut! Escaflowne only because, as it turns out, there is no MLP episode today.

[14:01] <@Sylocat> So yes… when we last left off, Hitomi had tried to write fanfic and failed, and as penance she’d given herself up as a prisoner to the luck-enhanced catgirls
01[14:01] <Froborr> …this is such a weird show.
[14:01] <@Sylocat> Indeed
[14:02] <Arrlaari> sick dad card
01[14:02] <Froborr> Dad cards are like trap cards, but with more puns.
[14:02] <@Sylocat> Those extenda-claws are OP, if they can grab her like that without harming her
01[14:03] <Froborr> I think we established quite a long time ago that the extend-claws are ridiculously OP.
[14:03] <@Sylocat> Ah yes, and now the luck-enhancer is backfiring
[14:03] <Arrlaari> And by pressing their advantage too quickly, they lost the effect of the gimmick they did earlier
01[14:04] <Froborr> I am not 100% clear what just happened. The luck magic backfired for… some reason?
[14:04] <@Sylocat> She should know better than to try the “go on without me” line on her sister by now
[14:04] <@Sylocat> Yeah, it backfired because… well, it’ll be explained later this episode
[14:04] <Arrlaari> The Empire put a lot of their fate magick on breaking up Hitomi/Vaan
01[14:05] <Froborr> Hrm, so Vaan jumping after her was enough for it to backfire, I guess?
01[14:05] <Froborr> No.
01[14:05] <Froborr> No, I am not okay with them not being mad at Hitomi.
01[14:05] <Froborr> That is BULLSHIT.
[14:05] <Arrlaari> Yeah that is bullshit
[14:06] <@Sylocat> Also, how can he not believe in fortune-telling after that?
01[14:06] <Froborr> Huh, like Trill, apparently catgirl spots go all the way down.
[14:06] <@Sylocat> Yikes
[14:07] <@Sylocat> Ah, Van’s back in his “vengeance is mine” thing…
[14:07] <@Sylocat> Wait, Allen didn’t know about Folken?
[14:07] <@Sylocat> I’d forgotten that
[14:08] <@Sylocat> What a metaphor for how her life has been going lately
[14:09] <@Sylocat> Allen’s in his angsty mode
[14:09] <@Sylocat> Eww… graphic flashback
[14:10] <@Sylocat> Ah, a Princess Mononoke-ish backstory
[14:10] <Arrlaari> So when she saw the Tragic Past of the Doppelganger, that guy died pretty quick
[14:10] <Arrlaari> This vision bodes ill for her captor
[14:11] <@Sylocat> Well, when villains start having flashbacks that make them question their cause, it rarely ends well anyway
01[14:11] <Froborr> I mean, that’s just anime rules. When you see the tragic past of a minor villain, they usually don’t last much longer.
01[14:11] <Froborr> Man, that bad luck backlash SUCKS.
[14:13] <@Sylocat> And now Dornkirk is sending her out again, trusting that his machine will work this time
[14:13] <Arrlaari> Did they always have asymettric shoe/boots?
[14:14] <@Sylocat> Oops… her luck is on the upswing again
[14:14] <Arrlaari> I expect the luck machine to work until Vaan gets close to Hitomi
[14:15] <@Sylocat> Van’s actually doing something smart?
[14:15] <@Sylocat> Hitomi’s really lecturing herself right now
[14:16] <@Sylocat> Imperfect time
01[14:17] <Froborr> And that would be the downside of relying on stealth
01[14:17] <Froborr> WTF
[14:18] <@Sylocat> Yeah… the backlash is just getting weird now
[14:18] <Arrlaari> I think that’s rapid aging?
01[14:18] <Froborr> Which actually makes sense when I think about it.
[14:19] <@Sylocat> How so?
01[14:19] <Froborr> Most of the visible signs of aging–wrinkles, gray hair, etc–are actually radiation damage, which is probabilistic in nature.
[14:19] <@Sylocat> Ooh, good point… the whole Schröedinger’s Cat thing
[14:20] <@Sylocat> Schröedinger’s Catgirl?
[14:21] <@Sylocat> So, the reason it backfired was because of that whole Buddhist thing about “Hope and despair balance out to zero” like Madoka MAgica did
[14:21] <@Sylocat> Only this series dresses it up in new age trappings
01[14:21] <Froborr> So, is this Folken starting to rebel?
[14:21] <@Sylocat> And yep… Folken has quit Zaibach
[14:22] <Arrlaari> Shouldn’t have answered that question
01[14:22] <Froborr> Yeah, really shouldn’t have.
[14:22] <@Sylocat> Oops… I thought it was kind of clear
[14:22] <@Sylocat> Sorry
01[14:23] <Froborr> It was not, no–it could have been him quitting, or just him starting to work against Zaibach from the inside, or just getting pissed off and taking a couple more episodes to fully quit, or…
[14:23] <Arrlaari> It’s ambiguous at this point in the show
[14:23] <@Sylocat> Again, sorry
01[14:24] <Froborr> Anyway, final thoughts?
[14:24] <@Sylocat> Thanks for clearing up the rapid-aging thing, that one always puzzled me even after I figured out what the Fortune Control thing was a metaphor for
[14:25] <Arrlaari> I was thinking rapid aging as being a typical magical punishment for tampering with fate
01[14:26] <Froborr> Hmm, examples Arrlaari?
[14:26] <Arrlaari> I can’t think of a specific example, I just have the feeling
01[14:26] <Froborr> Because I think of it usually as a punishment for seeking immortality or eternal youth.
01[14:26] <Froborr> FAir enough.
[14:27] <Arrlaari> Most tampering with fate involves those as the final goal, defeating the Final Fate of Man and all that
[14:27] <@Sylocat> Ooh, good point
[14:28] <Arrlaari> All the specific examples involve Greek stories in which the unwilling subject of prophecy lacks magical means to their goal, and so they take mundane actions which bring about the prophecy in a roundabout way
[14:28] <@Sylocat> Well… I must be off. I have to go to rehearsal
01[14:28] <Froborr> Later Sylo!
[14:28] <@Sylocat> See you next week
01[14:28] <Froborr> Good point about fate-tampering.

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