MLP Liveblog Chat Thingy: Twilight’s Kingdom

Season finale! Which I really, really hope is better than the last two episodes!

How to participate in the liveblog chat:

Option 1: Whenever you watch the episode, comment on this post as you watch with whatever responses you feel like posting!

Option 2: Go to Enter a nickname, then for the Channels field enter ##rabbitcube, and finally fill in the Captcha and hit Connect! We’ll be watching the episode and commenting there starting at 3:00 p.m. EST. At least… hopefully someone will? I currently have no idea whether I’ll be doing it–I’m going to a season finale party, but thanks to some miscommunications it is no longer clear whether the season finale will actually be viewable at said party. So if I watch it there, then I’m obviously not going to be able to participate in the liveblog. But if I don’t, then I will.

Anyway, if I do not do the liveblog, can one of you worthy folk please keep the log and post it in comments below? If I do make it, I’ll post it here myself.

I ended up doing both! Liveblog below the cut!

[15:00] <froborr> Go!
[15:00] <@Sylocat> Oh, Spike
[15:00] <Whiteeyes> Load damn you load!
[15:00] <froborr> Heheh, take that RD’s ego.
[15:00] <Whiteeyes> “Point taken.”
[15:00] <@Sylocat> Pinkie…?
[15:01] <Whiteeyes> AJ got it right, it’s not a different way of smiling and waving.
[15:01] <@Sylocat> Flash?!
[15:01] <@Sylocat> Oh yikes
[15:01] <Whiteeyes> Twilight has a point, she hasnt done much as a princess.
[15:01] <@Sylocat> The fans will NOT be happy about him
[15:01] <@Sylocat> Ah, so THIS is who those nobleponies were in Equestria Games
[15:01] <Whiteeyes> I remember these guys from the Games!
[15:02] <froborr> Oh, that was him, wasn’t he! Thought the voice was familiar.
[15:02] <Whiteeyes> THAT WAS IT oh Spke beat me to it.
[15:02] <froborr> Are you slightly behind Whiteeyes? Want us to pause for 10 seconds?
[15:02] <@Sylocat> Yeah, the fanbase utterly loathes him
[15:02] <Whiteeyes> Nah, im good.
[15:02] <Whiteeyes> brb
[15:02] <@Sylocat> Oh yikes…
[15:03] <@Sylocat> Who is he supposed to be?
[15:03] <froborr> I don’t really know.
[15:03] <froborr> Duke of something.
[15:03] <froborr> Maretania?
[15:03] <@Sylocat> Hey, she’s the Princess of Books
[15:04] <@Sylocat> Ooh, musical number
[15:04] <froborr> Yeah, I liked that comic.
[15:05] <@Sylocat> They went all-out for this one
[15:05] <froborr> Yeah, solid animation bump.
[15:05] <@Sylocat> Ooh, Celestia gets to sing!
[15:05] <froborr> I wonder if there’s an aurora every time she sings.
[15:05] <froborr> Also: Twilight/Luna parallel, I see you.
[15:06] <@Sylocat> And of course she’s going to get her “castle” thanks to the castle of the sisters
[15:06] <@Sylocat> Wow, this is an elaborate number
[15:06] <froborr> Yeah.
[15:07] <@Sylocat> Oh, are we about to meet the villain?
[15:07] <Whiteeyes> Back.
[15:07] <@Sylocat> Please be Tirek, please be Tirek…
[15:07] <@Sylocat> Or not
[15:07] <Whiteeyes> Good thing about having it on Ipad, I can take it with me
[15:07] <@Sylocat> WHAT?!
[15:07] <froborr> =)
[15:07] <@Sylocat> Did he say Tirek?! This is Tirek!
[15:07] <froborr> Not just Tirek.
[15:08] <froborr> Explicitly the *return* of Tirek.
[15:08] <Whiteeyes> MAGIC EATER!
[15:08] <Whiteeyes> The CUTIE MARK IS GONE!
[15:08] <@Sylocat> HOLY ROADAPPLES
[15:08] <@Sylocat> Does this mean G1 is canon?
[15:08] <froborr> It’s really hard to say.
[15:08] <Whiteeyes> THE BOOK!
[15:08] <@Sylocat> Whoa, that was Star Swirl the Bearded
[15:09] <@Sylocat> Ooh, are we going to see Tartarus?
[15:09] <Whiteeyes> Skorpan!?
[15:09] <Whiteeyes> How much G1 would there be?
[15:09] <Whiteeyes> Season 2 escape, so…less than a year?
[15:09] <froborr> Yep.
[15:10] <@Sylocat> Ah yes, that look they gave Fluttershy
[15:10] <Whiteeyes> Fluttershy is right, give him a chance! He’s good now!
[15:10] <@Sylocat> Yep, that castle is going to be her “kingdom”
[15:10] <Whiteeyes> If you’re all jerks to him, of course he’ll be a jerk back.
[15:10] <@Sylocat> Is he wearing a Tom Baker scarf?
[15:11] <froborr> No, he was dressed as Mary Poppins.
[15:11] <Whiteeyes> Marry Poppins!
[15:11] <@Sylocat> General MacArthur?
[15:11] <@Sylocat> Ah yes, Mary Poppins
[15:11] <@Sylocat> Oh yikes, Princess Discord
[15:11] <@Sylocat> That will be the new meme
[15:11] <@Sylocat> Ooh, the box
[15:11] <Whiteeyes> RD was kinda jerk there.
[15:11] <@Sylocat> Wait, Discord WANTS her to open it?
[15:12] <@Sylocat> What’s he up to?
[15:12] <Whiteeyes> Discord, see he’s being nice in his own way!
[15:12] <froborr> I seriously love not-actually-evil-just-a-manipulative-jerk Discord.
[15:12] <Whiteeyes> Even Flutttershy isn’t buying that one.
[15:12] <@Sylocat> Oh jeepers
[15:13] <Whiteeyes> Did Discord just mark the keys for them?
[15:13] <@Sylocat> Yep, he even used labels matching the colors
[15:13] <Whiteeyes> Discord is best tricster mentor.
[15:14] <@Sylocat> Toucord
[15:14] <@Sylocat> Ew
[15:14] <@Sylocat> Ah, of course they know each other
[15:14] <Whiteeyes> Discord pwns.
[15:14] <Whiteeyes> Yeay Fluttsershy!
[15:14] <@Sylocat> And the world of fanfiction did tremble
[15:15] <Whiteeyes> Tirek is perfectly manipulating this.
[15:15] <froborr> He really is. Makes sense, he is the senior villain.
[15:15] <@Sylocat> Oh, will this be Discord’s ACTUAL redemption? He falls for Tirek’s silver tongue, but has to learn that it actually does mean something to him?
[15:15] <Whiteeyes> Discord, think about it, this would make Fluttershy cry!
[15:16] <@Sylocat> Eeyup, he marked the keys for them
[15:16] <Whiteeyes> See, her picture is one of your three possessions in the world!
[15:16] <Whiteeyes> We don’t need all the flashbacks!
[15:16] <@Sylocat> Ah yes, the clip show episode
[15:16] <froborr> At least the clips are really short.
[15:17] <froborr> And it probably is worth reminding the target audience about this. Baby’s First Season-Long Arc.
[15:17] <Whiteeyes> Do we need to see the clips? Twilight is telling us what they are!
[15:17] <@Sylocat> Pinkie interrupts the flashback
[15:17] <Whiteeyes> Okay, they only did two.
[15:17] <@Sylocat> She really does have the Fourth Wall power, and she knows the audience will get bored
[15:18] <@Sylocat> So she interrupts
[15:18] <Whiteeyes> KEYS!
[15:18] <Whiteeyes> And then AJ spent hers…
[15:18] <froborr> I really like that they verbally acknowledged that part of it was teaching someone else about the element, I was worried that would be left just lying there.
[15:18] <Whiteeyes> Pinkie, leave boneless alone…never mind
[15:19] <@Sylocat> Ooh, 3D
[15:19] <Whiteeyes> Okay those keys look awesome!
[15:19] <Whiteeyes> Magic = Friendshp is the moral again.
[15:20] <@Sylocat> Eeyup, Discord sold them out
[15:20] <@Sylocat> And he looks more like his old self
[15:20] <Whiteeyes> NOT LYRA!
[15:20] <@Sylocat> Yeesh, this is a creepy one
[15:20] <Whiteeyes> Twilight, none of you except Flutershy really were friendly with him.
[15:21] <froborr> It would have been funny if getting her power drained caused DH’s eyes to straighten out.
[15:21] <Whiteeyes> No, Derpy!
[15:21] <Whiteeyes> So, EArth Pony Strength Power is canon.
[15:21] <@Sylocat> …How the heck does that work?
[15:21] <Whiteeyes> Take a quick break?
[15:21] <froborr> k
[15:22] <@Sylocat> How long?
[15:22] <Whiteeyes> Eh just a couple minutes to discuss that ending.
[15:22] <@Sylocat> Start at half past, or sooner?
[15:22] <Whiteeyes> Half past sounds good.
[15:22] <froborr> Half past sounds good.
[15:22] <froborr> We’ll resume from the 22 minute mark.
[15:22] <Whiteeyes> So yeah, thoughts on part one?
[15:22] <froborr> I will be mostly quiet in this discussion, since I’ve seen part two.
[15:23] <@Sylocat> It was… whoa
[15:23] <@Sylocat> I thought it was surprising when they namedropped Firefly
[15:23] <froborr> Did they?
[15:23] <Whiteeyes> I am so disapointed in Discord, I thought he knew better.
[15:23] <froborr> I missed that!
[15:23] <@Sylocat> I didn’t seriously think they’d gotten Tirek back as well
[15:23] <@Sylocat> Yeah, in “Testing, Testing, 1,2,3,” it’s said that General Firefly founded the Wonderbolts
[15:23] <froborr> Oh, right.
[15:23] <froborr> I thought you meant in this episode.
[15:24] <Whiteeyes> Then again as I’ve always complained, nopony else ever treats him nice besides Fluttershy.
[15:24] <Whiteeyes> And then Twilght goes “But didn’t our friendship mean anything?”
[15:24] <Whiteeyes> And you can just hear AJ’s airquotes wheever she says “friends” about him.
[15:25] <Whiteeyes> Reap what you sow!
[15:25] <Whiteeyes> I am feeling ranty today aparently.
[15:25] <froborr> Well, but by the same principle, he’s an obnoxious jerk pretty consistently.
[15:26] <Whiteeyes> Yes, it’s almost as if he’s never had a friend and is learning how to be one.
[15:27] <Whiteeyes> He even bookmarked it for Twilight!
[15:27] <Whiteeyes> DISCORD IS BEST PRINCESS!
[15:27] <@Sylocat> He expressed disappointment that he hadn’t ruined Twilight’s and Cadance’s visit
[15:27] <froborr> No, he has done nice things for them, most notably the book. But he is also actively malicious toward them for his own amusement.
[15:27] <froborr> That’s not “hasn’t learned how to be a friend yet,” that’s “isn’t really interested in being friends.”
[15:27] <Whiteeyes> He’s like a kid punching people because he’s bored.
[15:27] <@Sylocat> And that’s a bad thing
[15:27] <@Sylocat> 2 minutes
[15:28] <froborr> What kind of kid does that!?
[15:28] <Whiteeyes> The boed kind that hasn’t learned that it’s not okay to do that.
[15:28] <@Sylocat> There’s only so much you can teach a kid who doesn’t know it’s not okay to punch people just because he’s bored
[15:29] <@Sylocat> 1 minute
[15:29] <froborr> Yeah, that’s kind of basic human empathy.
[15:29] <Whiteeyes> Not everybody gets that.
[15:29] <@Sylocat> Here… we… go…
[15:29] <@Sylocat> (as the Joker would say)
[15:29] <froborr> Well, sure, but that’s not the fault of the people around the kid.
[15:29] <@Sylocat> Click
[15:30] <froborr> I like the Previously On music.
[15:30] <Whiteeyes> So…when was Tirek sealed away anyway?
[15:30] <@Sylocat> In G1, that’s when
[15:30] <Whiteeyes> He was sealed at least after Discord so he knew that Discord had been sealed.
[15:31] <froborr> Man, Discord rubbing his hands together in Fluttershy’s window is WAY creepier now.
[15:31] <@Sylocat> Well, given that Firefly took him down, and Firefly founded the Wonderbolts after the NMM incident
[15:31] <@Sylocat> Eeyup
[15:31] <Whiteeyes> Twilight, guard all our shit against the evil super being!
[15:32] <@Sylocat> Wait, he knows about Cadance, but not Twilight?
[15:32] <froborr> Yep.
[15:32] <@Sylocat> And Discord didn’t tell him?
[15:32] <@Sylocat> Oops, she’s about to get shimmery eyes, isn’t she?
[15:32] <froborr> Cadance is apparently quite old after all.
[15:32] <Whiteeyes> Celestia “No getting your super save the world friends to help” Celestia’s plan is brilliant!
[15:32] <@Sylocat> Or this is another test
[15:33] <Whiteeyes> SPIRIT BOMB!
[15:33] <froborr> Well, with the Elements of Harmony gone, there isn’t much her friends can do to help.
[15:33] <@Sylocat> Yeesh… Twilight’s gotta take on all of that?
[15:33] <@Sylocat> Ah, so Discord’s playing Tirek as well
[15:33] <froborr> Twilight absorbed the Spirit Bomb to go Super Saiyan!
[15:33] <Whiteeyes> Okay, Twilight, hide somewhere people won’t be able to find you!
[15:33] <froborr> So the black mark on Luna isn’t part of her cutie mark.
[15:34] <@Sylocat> That answers one fan question
[15:34] <Whiteeyes> Okay Twilight, don’t screw up!
[15:34] <@Sylocat> Duh…
[15:34] <@Sylocat> So, Twilight IS going to give this power back when it’s over, right?
[15:34] <@Sylocat> Wow, Twilight’s changing the time of day even faster than Discord
[15:35] <@Sylocat> Discord’s having a crisis of conscience
[15:35] <Whiteeyes> So, how did they beat Tirek ast time?
[15:35] <froborr> They said, his brother helped.
[15:35] <Whiteeyes> No Twilight, don’t lie like that.
[15:35] <Whiteeyes> Teleport!
[15:36] <@Sylocat> Wait, where ARE the others?
[15:36] <@Sylocat> Oh, that’s where (one of them) is
[15:36] <@Sylocat> And she thought flying was rough before!
[15:36] <Whiteeyes> NOT NOW!
[15:36] <@Sylocat> She’s overloading
[15:36] <Whiteeyes> I hate “I have to do this alone” plots.
[15:37] <Whiteeyes> PONY BALLS!
[15:37] <@Sylocat> Whoa
[15:37] <@Sylocat> He tossed them into paintings, like in Super Mario 64
[15:37] <froborr> Tartarus!
[15:37] <@Sylocat> Oh no… is THAT the last key?
[15:37] <froborr> I love the sandwich sword.
[15:37] <Whiteeyes> I haven’t touched that one yet!
[15:38] <@Sylocat> So, Discord has to know that Twilight’s not actually there
[15:38] <froborr> Him melting the stained glass is hardcore.
[15:39] <froborr> NO FLUTTERSHY DON’T CRY
[15:39] <@Sylocat> Oh yikes, the fandom wants to clobber Discord right now
[15:39] <Whiteeyes> Fluttershy, you probably feel as bad as I do.
[15:40] <Whiteeyes> Ironic echo!
[15:41] <@Sylocat> Well, at least Tirek will have trouble finding her
[15:41] <@Sylocat> Or not
[15:41] <Whiteeyes> Oh boy, at least she saved the owl.
[15:41] <@Sylocat> Oh, it… is… ON.
[15:41] <froborr> Yeah. Bye-bye library.
[15:41] <Whiteeyes> KAMEHAMEHA!
[15:41] <@Sylocat> Tirek is going down so hard
[15:42] <Whiteeyes> KAIOKEN TIMES TEN!
[15:42] <@Sylocat> Now this is a dark one
[15:42] <froborr> This is a pretty brutal fight, yeah.
[15:42] <Whiteeyes> Holy geeze it is Pony Ball Z, I was just kidding!
[15:43] <Whiteeyes> Don’t do it, that’s a really bad idea!
[15:43] <froborr> Except that if it were Pony Ball Z, this two-parter would have been a season long.
[15:44] <@Sylocat> Tirek is going down
[15:44] <@Sylocat> Hard
[15:44] <@Sylocat> Oh yikes, he said the “as you wish” line
[15:44] <Whiteeyes> Discord key time!
[15:45] <Whiteeyes> GOJIRA!
[15:45] <@Sylocat> It’s fitting that it belonged to Tirek’s brother
[15:45] <froborr> Yeah.
[15:45] <Whiteeyes> Tirek kicked his own ass, the best kind of ironic defeat!
[15:46] <@Sylocat> And here comes the Rainbow Power toy line, am I right?
[15:46] <Whiteeyes> RainbowPower!?
[15:46] <Whiteeyes> MY GUESS WAS RIGHT!
[15:46] <@Sylocat> They’ve been showing ads for it since… YIKES
[15:47] <Whiteeyes> I guessed this sense the season premier!
[15:47] <@Sylocat> Oh sheesh those look horrible
[15:47] <froborr> Twilight is the only one that doesn’t look like ass.
[15:47] <@Sylocat> It’s only temporary, right?
[15:47] <Whiteeyes> The toys look better.
[15:47] <Whiteeyes> OH NO.
[15:47] <Whiteeyes> THE TOYS LOOK BETTER.
[15:47] <froborr> Should we be worried that the ONLY cell with someone in it in Tartarus is Tirek?
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[15:48] <@Sylocat> Mom just said, “What about the library?”
[15:48] <froborr> Meanwhile the rainbow wave passes through the CMC. They look hopefully at their flanks… nope.
[15:48] <Whiteeyes> And they change back, thank God.
[15:48] <@Sylocat> …A new library?
[15:49] <Whiteeyes> Best palace.
[15:49] <@Sylocat> I tought she was gonna live at the Castle of the… ikes
[15:49] <@Sylocat> wow
[15:49] <Whiteeyes>  You can see it from Ponyville.
[15:49] <froborr> Yep. Castle of the Two Sisters was a red herring.
[15:49] <FoME> It was in a flower. What do flowers do? They make seeds.
[15:49] <froborr> Yep!
[15:49] <@Sylocat> Ah, she gets her own Council room
[15:49] <froborr> And I actually think it’s on the site of the library, though I’m not sure.
[15:49] <Whiteeyes> Council of Fiendship! Super Friends!
[15:49] <@Sylocat> Well, the library did get destroyed
[15:50] <Whiteeyes> Song?
[15:50] <froborr> Meanwhile, at the Hall of Friendship…
[15:50] <Whiteeyes> Song.
[15:50] <@Sylocat> There were only two songs?
[15:50] <Whiteeyes> Feels like this should be a series finally.
[15:50] <froborr> Hey, there were none in the Discord and Sombra two-parters.
[15:50] <@Sylocat> I was expecting Tirek to get a villain song
[15:51] <@Sylocat> Uh, the Crystal Empire had three songs
[15:51] <froborr> Not so much a finale as a relaunch.
[15:51] <froborr> …
[15:51] <Whiteeyes> Discord Celestia?
[15:51] <froborr> Oh yeah, it did.
[15:51] <FoME> One last hurrah for that color scheme.
[15:51] <@Sylocat> CELESCORD?! MY OTP!
[15:51] <@Sylocat> Celestia x Discord!!!!!!!!!!!
[15:51] <Whiteeyes> NO FLUTTERCORD!
[15:52] <@Sylocat> BEST. EPISODE. EVER.
[15:52] <Whiteeyes> It as awesome.
[15:52] <froborr> It wasn’t Maud Pie good, but it was good.
[15:52] <FoME> I am now imagining Tirek vs. Maud Pie.
[15:52] <froborr> Maud Pie wins.
[15:52] <Whiteeyes> Only if there are large rocks around.
[15:53] <FoME> Well, obviously, but the collateral damage is horrifying.
[15:53] <froborr> Specifically, she does nothing while a host of angels appear from nowhere and take care of the problem for her.
[15:53] <froborr> …I now actually kind of want to write Paradise Regained with Tirek and Maud.
[15:53] <@Sylocat> Because she is our lord and savior
[15:53] <FoME> And Pinkie is her messenger? Angels were originally eldritch abominations…
[15:53] <@Sylocat> Speaking of Milton, I’m currently rehearsing Shaw’s “Don Juan in Hell”
[15:54] <Whiteeyes> Sooooo…why didn’t Celestia hld that Magic for a mega-fight with Tirek? Twilight seemed to be doing pretty good.
[15:54] <froborr> …I’m not familiar with the play, how is that “speaking of Milton”?
[15:54] <FoME> Once blasted in the horn by a love parasite, twice shy?
[15:54] <@Sylocat> In it, the Devil (whom I am playing) talks about Paradise Lost, referring to Milton as one of the “two of the greatest fools who ever lived, an Italian and an Englishman”
[15:54] <@Sylocat> (the Italian being Dante)
[15:54] <Whiteeyes> Oh yeah, there’s a reason angels traditionally introduced themselves with “be not afraid”
[15:55] <froborr> So yeah, I was right about what was in the box: positions of leadership and teaching for all of them.
[15:55] <froborr> Wasn’t expecting Spike to be included.
[15:55] <froborr> Ah, I see.
[15:55] <FoME> He even gets a little throne, which is more than can be said for Luna.
[15:55] <Whiteeyes> Yeah, Spike gets a throne.
[15:55] <froborr> Eldritch, yes. Abomination, no. They were sublime, not grotesque.
[15:55] <Whiteeyes> You got here pretty late FoME.
[15:56] <FoME> Right. Sorry, I tend to associate the words.
[15:56] <Whiteeyes> I am looking forward to the MtG cards from this.
[15:56] <@Sylocat> I dunno, the way angels are described in the actual Bible, they sound pretty darn grotesque to me
[15:56] <froborr> That’s okay, my editor caught me out doing something similar in vol. 2. I refer to Scrooge McDuck’s sense of “innate superiority,” because I associate the words, but there’s nothing innate about it. He believes he earned it, not that he was born with it.
[15:57] <Whiteeyes> Let’s see, a pillar of rire with a halo of burning eyes, a six winge man with three faces, two of a lion and one of a man, wheels of fire made of legs, yeah angels were not pretty.
[15:57] <froborr> Really? I think they mostly sound awesome.
[15:58] <Whiteeyes> Well, yeah they are. They are kick ass forces of good. They just aren’t pretty little kids with dove wings.
[15:58] <FoME> Figures I only get the nerve to join one of these at the end of the last one. 😛
[15:58] <Whiteeyes> Aww, FoME, these are fun!
[15:58] <Whiteeyes> You should oin in next year.
[15:58] <FoME> I definitely will.
[15:58] <froborr> That’s my whole point, Whiteeyes: they’re eldritch, btu not abominations.
[15:58] <froborr> Yes, join us!
[15:59] <froborr> …I should find some other show we can do these for for the rest of the year.
[15:59] <@Sylocat> Rick and Morty?
[15:59] <Whiteeyes> Log Horrizon?
[15:59] <froborr> I know not what these shows are.
[16:00] <Whiteeyes> Aphilosophically and social comentary focused anime
[16:00] <Whiteeyes> That’s also got action.
[16:01] <froborr> Well, I think I’m vageuly aware of Rick and Morty. I think it’s an Adult Swim original series? So I steered clear…
[16:01] <Whiteeyes> i watched a couple episodes. It’s really not my things.
[16:02] <froborr> Wait, it’s Dan Harmon?
[16:02] <froborr> That’s… potentially interesting.
[16:02] <@Sylocat> Eeyup
[16:02] <Whiteeyes> So, does anyone else think this was the best Season finally to date?
[16:03] <@Sylocat> It might very well be
[16:03] <froborr> …do you mean best season finale, or that it ended up being the best season in the end?
[16:03] <froborr> Thought actually my answer is the same for both: yes.
[16:03] <Whiteeyes> Season 1 was meh, Season 2 felt lie it had a rushed ending, Season 3 was a controversy sparker of forest fire level, so yeah, as far as finallys themselves go, this was great!
[16:04] <FoME> It was… erratic. It certainly had the best episodes.
[16:04] <Whiteeyes> And it wasn’t the damn GGG.
[16:04] <Whiteeyes> That was just disapointing.
[16:05] <froborr> I have liked all the season finales, but I do feel like they’ve gotten consecutively better as they went.
[16:05] <Whiteeyes> The GGG just didn’t feel like a finally, it elt like a regular episode that just happened to end the season.
[16:06] <Whiteeyes> It asn’t a bad episode, but damned by faint praise, you know?
[16:06] <froborr> Well, it wasn’t meant to be a finale. The Discord episode was.
[16:07] <froborr> Which makes me wonder what two episodes were added last-minute to cover the gap…
[16:07] <Whiteeyes> Huh..I wonder too….quick, insert your most disliked episodes!
[16:08] <froborr> Actually, S4 has exactly the structure that the original S1 plan called for:
[16:08] <FoME> Weren’t “The Ticket Master” and “Look Before You Sleep” going to be lumped together, back when they planned two cartoons per episode?
[16:08] <froborr> Slightly more adventure than we got, half-arc season, big social event as the second-to-last episode, starting and ending two-parters about ancient evils returning.
[16:08] <Whiteeyes> They were?
[16:09] <Whiteeyes> ….oh my God S4 is best S1.
[16:09] <froborr> Heck, this is the first I’ve heard that they were ever planning two shorts per episode.
[16:10] <Whiteeyes> Same here on that front.
[16:10] <Whiteeyes> FoME, source?
[16:10] <FoME> I could be wrong. Probably am. I thought I read it in one of Faust’s deviantArt comments.
[16:10] <@Sylocat> First I’d heard of it too
[16:10] <FoME> Years ago, at that. Yeah, let’s just disregard crazyface over here.
[16:11] <froborr> Oh, it’s entirely possible. I don’t actually know that much about the show’s production history.
[16:11] <Whiteeyes> It was probably scraped early on, but I could see it being considered early on.
[16:11] <Whiteeyes> Shows like this have to question what to do with those dieas.
[16:12] <Whiteeyes> *ideas
[16:12] <froborr> So, any final thoughts on the ep before I copypasta over to the blog?
[16:12] <Whiteeyes> Is it better for one long episode, or two shorts? Both have their pros and cons
[16:12] <froborr> I think for this show, the longer format works better.
[16:12] <FoME> I blame the Rainbow Power design on the Tree of Harmony being a tree.
[16:13] <FoME> The only thing it knows how to do with color is attract pollinators.
[16:13] <Whiteeyes> Tirek’s powers should have been evil dark rainbow colored…and PONY BALL Z YAH!
[16:13] <froborr> FoME: Interesting. Explain?
[16:13] <@Sylocat> Trees aren’t known for their fashion sense
[16:13] <froborr> Oh. Lol.
[16:13] <@Sylocat> Well, some trees are…
[16:13] <Whiteeyes> Tree fashion, definatly the cause of all the design problems.
[16:14] <froborr> Anyway, I think the longer format works better for a show that isn’t going for wackiness as its main aesthetic. It allows for a slightly calmer pace, more room for subtler forms of characterization, that kind of thing.
[16:14] <Whiteeyes> I agree.
[16:14] <FoME> Indeed. Assuming I’m not misremembering, that’s what Lauren fought for.
[16:14] <Whiteeyes> Brony fandom probably would never have spawned in a world with shorter skits.
[16:14] <froborr> While something like Adventure Time, say, definitely works well as 11-minute eps.
[16:14] <froborr> Okay, copypastaing.

[16:15] <Whiteeyes> Adventure Time has a mor meta plot that has made we shed pools of liquid pride.

[16:15] <Whiteeyes> I still cry whenever I watch “I Know You”.
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[16:15] <froborr> Oh, I’m not saying it lacks characterization or emotion!
[16:16] <froborr> I’m just saying it’s frenetically paced in a way that works well with the 11-minute format.
[16:16] <froborr> Adventure Time maintains a constant high level of energy. MLP is a bit calmer and slower.
[16:16] <Whiteeyes> It’s like the Ice King is her grandpa suffering from Alzheimers! It’s so sad!
[16:17] <froborr> Yes, I know. They’ve done an AMAZING job with Ice King.
[16:17] <Whiteeyes> Yes it is, and as such has as a result more nuance per episode per character, rather than slwly dishing it out over the seasons.
[16:17] <froborr> I can no longer think of the Cheer’s theme without tearing up.
[16:17] <Whiteeyes> Yeah, what they did with Ice King was amazing.

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